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Horseshit.
I’ve never seen a fanbase be as salty as Arsenals. Its almost a week later and they are still moping.
Atleast when Liverpool went nuclear they had very good reason. And hillariously that was the moment clubs should have aligned with Liverpool against ref’s and VAR. Not when a rightback doesnt play to the whistle, a goalkeeper is caught in no mans land and a CB is subjectivly fouled. Buy what was Arsenals opinion then… “At some points as well we need to give support and understand that mistakes happen”
So, we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong
Am I allowed to celebrate the win now Arsenal fans?
Also 5-0 for Havertz to get sent off, thank you! Awful challenge, had so many Arsenal fans defending it instead of condoning at asking wtf Havertz was thinking potentially throwing the game that early
What a misleading title by OP, its not really an independent panel but just 5 people hired by EPL where there’s an obvious conflict of interest.
It’s not misleading at all
I even made a comment with a breakdown of the makeup of the panel and how they voted (and you’ll note that said panel unanimously voted that at least one decision was wrong)
And I don’t imagine that you’re claiming that the Premier League has a vested interest in people going round telling fans that the refs fucked up so I’m not sure what your point is?
Independent is defined as free from outside control and authority. Are you telling me that panel, who are regularly involved in either punditry, officiating or some form of the FA and premier league is independent? Next time we do this can we make up the panel of previous Arsenal players, or Newcastle players? Would be just as independent
The overall theme here is that the panel couldn’t conclude that an elbow to the head was worth a VAR review.
That strips them of all credibility, end of story.
The are genuinely called “Independent Key Match Incidents Panel” you absolute melt.
And American cheese is called cheese, that doesn’t mean it’s not plastic.
‘Why would this accounting audit firm be trusted, they’re hired by their clients’
Ok. And? They’re wrong, there was a clear foul
Was it fuck, if that shove was anywhere else on the field it’d have been a foul, the panel is wrong
If my dick was anywhere on your mother, I wouldn’t be a virgin.
All this conclusion tells us is that call was very subjective. This Arteta’s and Arsenals statements were the actual embarrassing act. I still think the goal shouldn’t have stood because it was a handball by Joelinton. The foul - super subjective but I think it was a foul. But not as obvious as the handball.
That said I’m personally perplexed as to how any of the panel members didn’t think Guimares’ elbow was a red. At least the majority did.
Arsenal fans can stop crying now. Apology from Arteta coming up?
Yes it was
Sweet so let’s see all the two handed shoves in the back this weekend.
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The majority on this sub was arguing that havertz challenge was fine while brunos elbow wasn’t.
No use having a balanced discussion on this sub, it’s all Arsenal fans
Huh majority of arsenal fans I’ve seen say that Havertz was an orange and they’d be fine with him getting sent off for it.
I don’t understand how the goal stands with the shove though. And yes the other stuff is ‘unclear’ but that’s because of the shitty tech and angles they’re using. Like it’s not that hard to have a line down the line
Arsenal fans are one of the largest percentages on either this sub or r/soccer. I can’t remember which. But they weren’t thinking entirely rationally after the match
Settle down Mary. Think of your heart.
The downvotes for you shows you’re right lol
Imo the Havertz challenge could, and probably should have been a red. I said in real time, “he’s gone for that”
However there is just enough subjectivity about it that I can see why it might not be given, even if I disagree.
The Bruno forearm however was objectively violent conduct and with VAR it’s the kind of thing that should never be going unpunished.
There is no objective way to send Bruno off. The rules include words like ‘negligible’ and ‘excessive’, leaving it up to the officials’ discretion. They decided it wasn’t a red, therefore by the letter of the law, it wasn’t a red.
If you have any solutions for how to better codify the spirit of the game I’ve made a post here which is getting annoyingly little responses. I think people just want to moan.
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Which is absurd. Just to clarify.
Yeah and they were right. You literally get worse tackles than havertz in every single game. I’ve seen worse tackles not even given as yellows against arsenal this season alone.
He was flying through the air like a nutter and his leading legs catch Longstaff halfway up his planted leg, then follows through full force with his trailing leg. You’d be happy seeing a team taking it in turns to tactically do that to Saka and only end up with a few yellows? Come off it
Saying that he catches longstaffs standing leg is as misleading as you want. He didn’t catch his leg, he clipped with the slightest clip possible.
Oh okay well if a panel said it was fine.
Just ignore your eyes and all your own opinions they are definitively declared wrong.
They really want to pretend its just whinging don’t they? And there isn’t a massive issue with the integrity of the game being threatened. But there is and saying “nah its fine” isnt gonna work.
My bath panel could do a better job.
It sounds like you’re complaining about Bruno and ignoring havertz
Tried to look around to see who sits on this panel - John Moss, Martin Atkinson, Karen Carney and Rob Green. Folks with real vested interests in ensuring that the organisations they serve is not seen in bad light.
Wasn’t it Atkinson who gave that red card to Kieran Gibbs? And Moss who never missed an excuse to wave a red card t Granit Xhaka? Both Karen and Rob are regular guests either as pundits or match day analysts at Premier League Productions.
This is a panel alright; but let us not kid ourselves that it is independent. Mike Dean said it all about refs protecting each other; and I don’t understand why we are not taking him for his word.
In what world would a rational person accept that what Guimares did to Jorginho was acceptable, while Havertz’s (admittedly reckless but really not sackable) attempt to win the ball was an overwhelming outrage?
In what world would a rational person accept Joelinton’s hands on Gabriel was not a player gaining illegal leverage to gain advantage?
But of course, they know they can get away with this because there are media houses like ESPN and Sky Sports to megaphone this to millions of football fans without so much as push back.
They have already showed their hand by sending out Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville and Micheal Owen to lead the misinformation against Arsenal and its manager Arteta, while diverting attention from yet another atrocious display of refereeing standards in supposedly the best league in the world.
Idiot
The only thing reckless about Havertz challenge was that even when trying to break someone’s leg he still missed. Red card and absolutely disgraceful challenge, Bruno red card, foul for the goal probably but not the worst call ever.
Why is everyone saying they didn’t think Bruno should have been sent off??? They said he should have
My favorite is when a criminal gets to investigate his own crimes.
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