• N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    The Israelis don’t treat Palestinians like they are human beings. They don’t care to make generations of enemies with their war crimes.

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      3 months ago

      Did you say the same thing about palestinians on oct 7th or do you have some sort of antisemetic double standard where you think it is acceptable to judge all israeli’s by the actions of a few, but do not think its acceptable to judge all palestinains based on the actions of a few?

      • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 months ago

        Likely they did.

        Although I’d like to correct that they should be condemning the IDF and Isreali settlers, and not all israeli people. Just like you should be condemning Hamas, and not all the palestinian people. (which I’ve seen you’ve incinuated correctly).

        Although I would say, based on other comments I’ve come across from you, you are likely a Zionist. Minimising the number of deaths in Gaza, and a lot of whataboutism.

      • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        Both sides have a lot of hatred and resentment toward each other. The problem is that the power balance is extremely heavily in favor of Israel, and they are able to exert their will on the Palestinians through force the Palestinians have no answer for.

        But yes, killing innocent people is bad whenever it happens, and no, not all Israelis are bad, just the government, military, and settlers. One admittedly horrific massacre does not give Israel license to commit genocide on the Palestinian people, which is precisely what is happening right now.

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          3 months ago

          Yes let’s compare them together:

          A group of designated terrorists, absorbed into, a military force, that forces all European and North American citizens to join their forces and continue it “killing” and “stealing” of other people land. Compared in haterd for people who got their stuff stolen, killed, and oppressed in their damn land.

          It is like police killing black people and a politician goes on about how trust between the community need to be built again. When it is one sided oppression.

      • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        There’s that word. “Antisemitism”. Put it back in the deck Moishe, It’s not winning you any arguments.

    • gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 months ago

      at what point is it defense and at what point is it deliberate escalation of a conflict?

      you have to imagine you’re being attacked on the streets. at what point is it self-defense and at what point is it aggressive behavior?

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      3 months ago

      That’s… what settlers are.

      The land isn’t unoccupied. The people who were there before are going to be a constant problem for the settlers because they will always resent being pushed out of their homes.

      The settlers have to kill or permanently displace the people who lived in the land they’re trying to settle in order to settle it.

      That’s what the process is.

      Theyre settlers.

      They’re violently displacing and killing the people on the land they want to settle.

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        Well you can send settlers to an empty desert. You can also send settlers to a sparsely inhabited land and have them get along with the locals. It’s not like it’s physically impossible.

        I see the concept of settler as someone who goes live somewhere where there aren’t many people, not a role where conflict is a major part of the thing.

        West Bank settlers sent by Israel were already highly questionable, but if they start doing things like this, they’re just soldiers with extra steps.

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          3 months ago

          Who can send settlers into the desert? Where is the desert empty? Who can have them get along with the native population? Has that ever happened?

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            3 months ago

            yes. theyre called immigrants Every country has them. only Israel says its fine for the immigrants to firebomb homes.

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              Ah thanks for clarifying that. I wasn’t aware that Joseph smiths followers integrated into Mexico and that Israeli settlers are really just Palestinians.

              They followed those nations norms and laws around immigration, right?

              Right?

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                  3 months ago

                  You said Israeli settlers are just immigrants and implied that Israel’s unwillingness to punish its immigrants is unique.

                  In my reply I compared Israeli settlers and American Mormon settlers who both cannot be called immigrants because they’re not moving into and integrating into an existing nation, but pushing that nations people out in order to create a new nation or expand an existing one.

                  Settlement and immigration are wildly different things.

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        3 months ago

        You’re gonna have to explain this take. Illegal state-sponsored settlements in the West Bank are absolutely evil. There’s nothing weird about describing it that way.

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          3 months ago

          Maybe they meant using the word settler instead of something more apt, like invader, pillager, trespasser, violator, etc.

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        3 months ago

        I’m amazed that they finally mentioned Israel in the headline. You’d expect the BBC to write something like ‘West Bank village burns down’.

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          Nah thats not fair to the BBC. They were fairly neutral on this and refrained from calling hamas a terrorist org until they were heavily pressured into doing so. They constantly get bullied by zionists for not being pro israel enough. Yes they could do better, but they are much more neutral than most.

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            3 months ago

            I’m referring to examples like this headline where they completely left out the perpetrator of an atrocity.

            Even the ‘fixed’ headline makes it sound like the dog somehow got loose instead of being intentionally sicced on the victim.