Voting your ethics is what the primary is for. Voting strategically is what the final vote is for.
Voting your ethics is what the primary is for. Voting strategically is what the final vote is for.
For me personally, I vote ethics at both times.
But I respect and support your viewpoint for sure.
Is it ethical to cast a third party vote that lets the least ethical candidate with the election? It seems to me that such a decision undermines the point of ethics. Sometimes a compromise is the most ethical thing to do.
Is it ethical to cast a third party vote that lets the least ethical candidate with the election? It seems to me that such a decision undermines the point of ethics. Sometimes a compromise is the most ethical thing to do.
Voting is an expression of personal values, and supporting a third-party candidate is a way to advocate for those values, even if the candidate doesn’t have a great chance of winning.
Your argument that voting third-party may lead to the least ethical candidate winning, assumes that people should always choose the lesser of two evils, which perpetuates a system that doesn’t align with their beliefs.
I personally think that in the long run, continually compromising on ethics by voting for one of the two major parties will delay development of alternatives that represent what I believe in.
By voting third-party, I’m contributing to a broader political conversation that challenges the status quo and pushes for meaningful change. And I am voting for what I believe in. Which, we as Americans, have the right to do. Even if it’s not the candidate you wish I were voting for.
So no, I won’t be compromising.
UNLESS a socialist party gets on my ballot. Then I’d switch from Green to Socialist.
Voting is an expression of personal values
Is it really? Or is it simply a legal mechanism by which we choose who rules over us?
Your argument that voting third-party may lead to the least ethical candidate winning, assumes that people should always choose the lesser of two evils,
No one buys this. Their argument assumes outcomes matter and that’s literally all it assumes.
All your argument assumes is that the outcome is not something anyone can force you to care about as it is not your problem. Which is a garbage lie.
No one buys this
I, and many others, buy this. Which is why the democratic party, and Lemmy, is so mad about third parties. Obviously enough people “buy” it that you all are worried about “spoilers.”
I respect your right to your opinion, but I disagree with it.
Libertarians are just awful Republicans. It doesn’t hurt them any to have you throw your vote away.
I think everyone who was going to vote for trump but is feeling doubt should pick a third party candidate to vote for instead.
And I think everyone should vote for who they feel best aligns with their personal values. Regardless of party affiliation.
People should do what they think is best, based on their own situation (region, district, needs, etc) and beliefs(what they think should happen, what they can ethically stand, etc). In this election, I think Trump is a dangerous (personally and politically) and incompetent enough figure that conservative people should deliberately throw the election to force their party in a different direction.
My personal belief is that government is a tool, and my vote will go to the person who seems most likely to enact policy that aligns with my values.
and my vote will go to the person who seems most likely to enact policy that aligns with my values.
I totally agree.
Harris is not the one that does that for me so I won’t be voting for her, but everyone should def pick the person that aligns with their values.
I don’t think there’s any reason to believe you’re even American
I don’t think there’s any reason to believe you’re even American
Well I have 10 subs that I started and that I mod. And not all of them are political. Feel free to check them out in my profile.
And I don’t think there’s any reason to believe you’re even American. Do you have proof that you are?
Weird. No one asked you for proof. It’s obviously suspect that you suddenly appeared from nowhere and apparently spend half your day on this weird canvassing.
Weird. No one asked you for proof.
What proof do you need?
It’s obviously suspect that you suddenly appeared from nowhere
Isn’t that every single person that starts Lemmy? Isn’t every new person, “suddenly appeared from nowhere?”
Exactly how much time did you think I should have waited before I started posting articles I thought were interesting?!
Because when I signed up, there was no disclaimer telling me that I had to wait a certain time to start posting.
How long did YOU wait to start posting after you started a new account?
Basically, because I post news articles, (that I didn’t even write–they came form news orgs) that you don’t like, you are implying that I’m not even American.
So does every Amercian have to believe in the exact same things you do? Because guess what? About half the country isn’t gonna vote for your candidate. Does that mean they aren’t American?
It’s obviously suspicious that you’re so against third parties all of a sudden, even tho they have been around long before this election.
So now that I think of it, I don’t think there’s any reason to believe you’re even American.
You’ve made a series of very poor choices to end up as a libertarian VP nominee.
He should be considering rehab, not explaining things to people.
I thought we were Green party, here. Libertarians? Ethics?
What’s the plan, friend?
OP is a Mormon Satanist. Transracial Kopimist Monk. Socialist Workers Party Green Comrade. Alcohol-free, drug-free, caffeine-free, woke-free, influencer-free, uncensored (free!).
You say Satanist like it’s a bad thing
I just get confused how you practice mormon satanism.
Do they have pentagrams on their temple garments?
Its on the underwear, y’see. It’s the crotch gussets and the overseams at the hip
The temple garments are the underwear!
Same priors. We’re simpatico.
Green Party is for nerds.
Libertarians listen to Winger and smoke ditchweed pinners. They’re the cool guys.
I upvoted purely for the Winger comment. Hilarious!
I’m def the nerd Green guy; I don’t even know what ditchweed pinners are, but I’m assuming weed?
What’s the plan, friend?
That’s the mistake several posters have made about me. There is no “plan.”
I read interesting political news, and I post it to this Lemmy political news community. I’ve also posted Socialist articles too.
I am Green (tho lean more socialist), but that’s not the only political news I read, nor is it the only political news stuff I post.
This sub gets plenty of pro-democrat articles. Having a little diversity is good.
Having said that, I expect many replies saying that I’m really a Trumper, that I’m posting things to spoil the election, etc.
But before people lose their shit and start saying that, Libertarian party voters usually take away Trump votes; NOT democrat votes, if they wanna play the “spoiler!” game.
Upfront: I assure you no shit is about to be lost. I’m all up chill with myself.
My feed default sort is New, so when you’re posting you dominate my feed. I’ve come to expect Green posts. The Libertarian post was off color for you. Just thought I’d ask.
So you got no plan. Cool, cool. Interesting articles. Got it.
Do your thing. I’m around, I see you.
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Good, good. Keep doing what you do. People will see you for who you are.
I kinda feel that phrase may be like a sister phrase to, “May you live in interesting times.”
First I smiled. Then I squinted a little bit. Then I was like, “Hey, wait a sec…”
Well played!
Have my upvote. I appreciate a good turn of phrase!
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Nah, I’m not gonna block you. You post novel stuff. Keep at it!
You amuse me.
This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy, and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are. It seems like rage bait and every one of their posts gets massive down votes but then you see their comments are all like "well I respect your opinion but I disagree’… I really can’t tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.
This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy,
So do you think we need even more articles on the awesomeness of the Democratic Party?
and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are.
So I should be more rude?
I really can’t tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.
OR it could just be that I belive in third parties. I don’t write the articles, I just post them. I respect your opinion, but if you feel any of my articles have broken community rules, please bring to attention fo the mod team.
I don’t see any reason to think it isn’t genuine. I’ve met plenty of people who feel this way.
But either way they must have incredible patience to deal with all the abuse they receive!
You can tell when you engage and ask questions that require actual thought. Bring up the fact that many third party candidates have been shown to literally be in the race to confuse voters or pull votes away from other candidates, and they no longer want to engage, attempting to steer the conversation away from that topic.
The fact that they won’t even acknowledge it happens, which is an objective fact, is proof enough for me to believe that’s what they are attempting.
Bring up the fact that many third party candidates have been shown to literally be in the race to confuse voters or pull votes away from other candidates
So if that’s true, then Libertarian Party (which is the party in the article I posted for this thread) would draw voters AWAY from Trump. Which would actually help Harris.
So are you upset that I posted an article about a party that would actually help Harris and work against Trump?
I’ve also posted about other parties that, according to your logic, would take votes away from Trump.
I’m confused about why you would be mad that I posted an article that is anti-Trump.
So are you pro-Trump then?
I’m sorry, are you trying to suggest that shady situations in support of the candidate I prefer would be a good thing, while the same actions by a candidate I dislike would be bad?
Are your morals that flexible? Does hypocrisy run wild through your standards? Because that’s the only way your reply could make sense to me.
I’m sorry, are you trying to suggest that shady situations in support of the candidate I prefer would be a good thing, while the same actions by a candidate I dislike would be bad?
Well many many Lemmy people think that. As I have found out firsthand. Let me know if you would like links to the conversations where people are saying exactly that!
If you are not one of those people, then yay!
Does hypocrisy run wild through your standards? Because that’s the only way your reply could make sense to me.
No, in fact, when I brought up the hypocrisy to the people who think it’s ok when it happens to the other party, just not theirs, I called out their hypocrisy. Good to know you are not one of them. But many exist. I know because I argued with them.
In this post to be exact: https://lemmy.world/post/18907042
You should see my DM’s! These public ones are bad enough, but oy! The private ones are borderline creepy. Tho the guy who keeps insisting every day that I am getting paid in “russian bitcoins” and that I live in a mansion with Putin is funny. Crazy, but funny.
So it’s not so much patience, its that I just don’t take any of it personal.
What’s even more fascinating to me tho, is the amount of anger I get for posting a news article about a third party. It’s not like I write the articles. And it’s not like this sub is ONLY for pro democrat articles.
I post about libertarian stuff and the trump gang gets mad at me and calls me names. I post green party stuff, and the Harris gang gets mad at me, and calls me names.
I will have to say the Democrat people actually get more mad at me than the republicans, tho. Which I was def not counting on.
Absolutely rage bait. Imo the language might read as non combative, but in application it feels like just a blind to slip a ban. Read through some of their exchanges with Mx. SMCF; it’s pointing a hand in somebody’s face and using the ‘I’m not touching you’ of defenses.
I get hateful remarks every day. And I try to remain civil. It’s not really any deeper than that.
Hm. You seem to contain multitudes. Perhaps literally.
I don’t understand what you mean.
I post articles about libertarian issues and green party issues. So people from both sides of the debate are pretty mad about it.
But note, I didn’t write the news articles. If anyone has a problem with the content, they can bring it up with the authors/editors of the news articles. I just post what I see.
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