- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.
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A message to my fellow guys: if you dislike this, guess what: it’s real easy to stop being the target of it. All you have to do is quit being a misogynistic, authoritarian piece of shit.
For real, it’s astounding(not really) how much women appreciate not being treated and viewed like they are things to be owned and controlled
Respectfully, this isn’t on dudes.
Four and eight years ago young men overwhelmingly supported Bernie Sanders, and they were ridiculed for it. Dems even made up an epithet for it: Bernie Bros.
The perspective you’re showing in this reply is why Republicans won. You can’t make it very clear you don’t want young men to vote for you and then be surprised when they don’t.
What are you talking about? Bernie Bros are the diametric opposite of the problem. My comment is addressing all the men but them!
Never mind.
I’m wasting my breath, but thank you for the discussion.
Yeah man, gamer gate didn’t happen 🙄
Gen-X men got him elected. As a white man in his 40s, I’m disgusted. After moving out of the city, I just can’t converse with most of the white men my age. The majority of my friends are now younger than me or POC.
It’s my understanding that a lot of Gen-Z men backed Trump as well. Can’t say I understand the appeal he has to the younger crowd.
They were split 47/49 Trump.
Can’t say I understand the appeal he has to the younger crowd
Perhaps some introspection is in order. If feminists can’t figure out how to coexist with others, without turning everything into a battle, then they’re ultimately going to prove to the world that they have no business at all being anywhere near power. Frankly, women have been given a great deal of autonomy in western civilization recently, and have set themselves to the task of burning everything down. It’s not at all a good look, and how the younger generation sees you should be a wake up call.
Feminists are not the one aggressively turning men into this. It’s toxic masculinity types like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, and Joe Rogan.
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Keep doubling down. I’m sure you’ve almost got the formula right.
The scary feminists are turning men into douchebags not the notable douchebags with a platform spewing hate, sure buddy.
Look inward my dude. You have some really fucked up ideas about women. Women are just people like you or me and deserve full rights including to their body. If you can’t accept that you don’t see women as fully human and you are, to be technical, an asshole.
If feminists can’t figure out how to coexist with others, without turning everything into a battle, then they’re ultimately going to prove to the world that they have no business at all being anywhere near power.
If thats your logic, when are men going to apologize for WWI and WWII? How about an apology for the Holomodor? Are these the evidence you’re using to show that men deserve to be in power?
Frankly, women have been given a great deal of autonomy in western civilization recently, and have set themselves to the task of burning everything down.
Oh? Which part of men’s bodies are women given legal power to control?
BTW, I’m a dude, I’m just not deluded enough to think that my genitals make me smarter that people with other genitals.
Autonomy is not “given.”
It is when you’re still so deep inside the system mentally that you require products to facilitate your lifestyle. If you want to know how to be free without relying upon society to grant you that privilege, you should look into this cool guy from Roman times named Jesus.
you should look into this cool guy from Roman times named Jesus
Look I never do this, but… 🤮
And seriously… if you’re trying to be a “good Christian witness”… this is not the way.
Not even really Christian, but he still provides a great example of what it actually means to live in this world. Too many people want freedom, but don’t want to give up the luxuries that others provide for them. Frankly a lot of Christians don’t get that part of the message either.
Lol I tagged you “mad about WoKe games” so it’s not surprising that here you are going off about feminists. Practically no feminist has issues with respectful male individuals. So we can speculate where you got the idea that they’re looking for trouble… Gee I wonder
Gen-X men got him elected.
Like all things Gen-X, there aren’t enough of us for negative or positive change. In 2022 only 23% were Gen-X (down 3% from 2012), and assuming equal split on gender, that would be about 11.5% men, and I know for sure 100% of Gen-X men DID NOT vote for trump. For the sake of your argument lets say 70% of those men did thats only 8% of the vote. source
I don’t think its a supportable statement to say that this specific 8% are the reason trump was elected without ignoring the other 45% of the electorate.
Do you have a citation for this? Maybe it’s just the circles I run in, but I don’t know any gen-x men who voted for Trump.
Did all you ladies see my post? Pretty hot, huh?
I have genitofemoral neuropathy. I’m not satisfying any women anytime soon. lol
Fair observation though.
Sorry about the fucking idiots. Thanks for not fucking the idiots
More women voted for Harris, but there was still a giant number of women who voted for Trump. The women who voted for him won’t do this and the women who didn’t vote for him wouldn’t have dated been who did anyway.
You’re really missing the point if you think this is about who a man voted for, and not about a woman not wanting to risk her life because any fuckwad stealthed her or even accidentally got her pregnant. Misogyny and sexual crimes do not follow party lines, they are pervasive throughout society, and the fewer choices women have, the more we will protect ourselves.
Hey, I’m completely on board with the fight. I 100% believe no one but the person and their doctor should be involved in any healthcare decisions, and I’m an advocate for women. I just think that this particular approach will accomplish nothing. The only people it will impact are the people who are already like-minded.
I’m all for women doing this, I’m just worried it’ll literally be the beginning of Idiocracy.
Idiocracy would be a significant upgrade from our current predicament.
If I were a cis woman, I also wouldn’t want to risk pregnancy by being with a cis man. Certainly not in a country where being pregnant is increasingly more dangerous to one’s life.
Also for my trans homies - remember that HRT is not birth control.
I understand the sentiment, but this is intrinsically self-defeating if at most one half of the female population participates while the other half if quickly drifting towards the trad-wife high birth rate shit.
It is just math.
Not all men backed the ugliness. (To lump them altogether is sexist.) The ones who didn’t should be supported.
I’m sure explaining not all men to them will turn this whole thing around.
I’m sure pulling an Idiocracy will turn this whole thing around.
See how useful that is?
Please look up why “not all men” is a silly point to make.
Because we all know the response to that is too many men? Right? But women voted against women, how do you fix that? How do you sit and blame all the men for your problems when it was also women who wanted these things to happen?
Implying they understand what is going to happen.
Tens of millions of women voted for Trump; so men should go around blaming women, right?
wHy WON’t ThESE Women wHO ARe beIng oppRESSeD And HAVInG tHEir rIghts erodeD sUPPort mEn LIke Me WHo aRE tHe rEaL VIcTImS aNd CleArlY so syMPaTHETic tO THEIR cAUSE???!111122345
You are precisely the kind of insidious creep we want to avoid.
Who said women aren’t being oppressed? Who said that men are being oppressed? Who said I was a man?
Sorry if you’ve been hurt, but that is no excuse for sexism. To be clear: lumping all men into a group is sexism. Grouping all people by some factor that is beyond their control is prejudice. It’s really as simple as that. Again, I’m sorry if you’ve been hurt, but that’s no excuse for that response.
To repeat: the reality is that not all men back the ugliness that Trump and his supporters promote. To claim otherwise is to rob yourself of allies. It is self defeating.
4B? Isn’t this just Lysistrata?
As we always say on my screenwriting podcast, there are no new stories.
Yes friends.
We have to stop the shift of men to the right and this can’t help
It’s not on women to fix men.
It’s on society to fix society.
Assuredly we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
How can we possibly win an election ever again if this is the attitude? If we don’t win back some men, we can’t just expect women to make up for it.
Yeah let’s try the moderate approach. Have to, really. Anything that even remotely might change things is out of the question. /s
We genuinely don’t have much time until the planet burns. It’s scary, but we fucking have to do something. These money blinded fucks in power won’t do jack shit.
We absolutely need a left wing populist who will actually motivate the Democratic base in 2028. We can’t afford another neoliberal that nobody truly likes.
We need someone who isn’t so god-damned educated. I swear to God if I see another Yale graduate with a JD I’m going to lose my fucking mind. Someone who’s been brainwashed at an ivy League is the absolute worst person to represent the average American. They have zero idea of the issues people face on a day to day basis. I have a bunch of highly educated family members and they don’t know Jack shit.
No, no, I’m sure being even MORE insufferable and obnoxious is the solution.
