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    1 year ago

    Basically every major crisis in the last 100+ years was well forseen by leftists pointing

    Yes crisis and issues objectively created by their own leftist policies, presidents wtv. I’m aware that you guys are most likely Americans and I’m not. Politics in Europe works differently and here is the kicker: every leftist politician in the US would be considered extreme right if they tried to appeal to people in Europe in the way they do in the US. Sometimes you even hear people joking about the fact that our most “extreme right” politician is more leftist than the most leftist one in the US. It may also come as as shock to you that here there isn’t much distinction between leftist parties and plain communist parties - they even usually win elections on coalitions and they also own the majority of the media around here.

    Essentially what we have around here is extreme left, mostly communist, governing countries while running their show on the shadows of “Hitler (the right) was bad”. The end result is an Europe that is constantly massacred with immigration from Islamic countries and economies hitting the rock bottom. Most of you can’t even begin to imagine the damage already done and how bad things are now. The left/communists failed Europe and this is why today they say the “extreme right” (which is actually about as right as the US left) is on the raise here.

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      1 year ago

      Ok, name one European country currently governed by a “extreme left, mostly communist” party.

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          Okay, so you think free healthcare and stuff like raising minimum salary is communism.

          I’m guessing you also think Biden is left-wing, right?

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            free healthcare and stuff like raising minimum salary is communism

            No, but there’s a very thin like between useful socialism and driving countries and economies to trash and making everyone unable to sustain themselves and/or depend on govt. subsidies and all kinds of welfare benefits.

            There’s also the typical environmental / “green” push that boils down to ensure that people lose whatever they have (cars, houses etc.) because “its bad for the planet”. Are you aware that in some countries here people are getting taxed around 500€/year because they own cars older than some year that the gov says that its bad for the environment? What do you think that will happen? People don’t have old cars because they want to, they have them because they can’t afford new cars. Are you aware that during the COVID times you also had multiple govts forcing people to get vaccinated (or be unable to be in public places, work etc.) and that there were new laws put in place that allow the govt to claim a property or house due to “public interest” if the owner doesn’t comply with some other laws requiring to maintain a certain level of insulation in those houses? What do you think that happens here? Again people don’t have good houses not because they don’t want to, its because they are poor and can’t afford better. Now tell me, isn’t this communism?

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              What are you even talking about? Portugal’s economy has been great under the so-called “communist” government, and although it was far from perfect in other aspects, the economy has been the least concern from what I understood.

              And what do environmental policies even have to do with communism? I don’t think Marx even knew what global warming was. Modern countries that label themselves as communists are among the least environment-friendly. Again, literally every policy backed by left-wingers = communism?

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                What are you even talking about? Portugal’s economy has been great under the so-called “communist” government, and although it was far from perfect in other aspects, the economy has been the least concern from what I understood.

                That’s what the mainstream media (controlled by the govt) sells. However people never payed the amount of taxes they’re paying now. Its like a 1.5% increase in salaries and a 15% increase in taxes. Let alone an housing crisis (across Europe) where people aren’t unable to buy or rent anymore. https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/07/europes-housing-crisis-portugal-turkey-and-luxembourg-struggle-to-find-solutions and https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20231003-inflated-rents-high-interest-rates-and-lack-of-supply-create-european-housing-crisis and obviously there’s the crazy ass inflation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/business/eurozone-inflation.html

                And now as I said it’s about people losing their ability to own cars something that should be a basic right.

                The increase in IUC in diesel vehicles prior to July 2007 could reach 1746%. In gasoline cars, the increase is more modest. However, the tax cannot rise by more than 25 euros per year. But there are situations in which the tax increase exceeds 1000% , as happens with many SUVs and jeeps. This is the case of the Land Rover Discovery 2.7, the Nissan Terrano II 2.7 TDI , the Audi Q7 3.0 TDI and the Volkswagen Touareg 3.0 TDI , which will stop paying 70.5 euros in IUC in 2023 and start paying 776.56 euros, around 11 times more. However, it is important to note that the increase in tax on old cars will not be fully reflected in 2024.

                Source (translated) for you here.

                And what do environmental policies even have to do with communism?

                We’re talking about countries that enact policies that end up taking cars, houses and people’s ability to own stuff. Ins’ that communism, even if you sell them as “making the environment better”?

                This thing with the cars its total bullshit, they’re making older card that payed 50 or 100€/year in taxes to suddenly pay 500 or 700€. Let me ask you, do you even think that people should even have to pay a tax to be able to drive a car that they already bought?

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                  Let alone an housing crisis (across Europe) where people aren’t unable to buy or rent anymore. (…) and obviously there’s the crazy ass inflation

                  And is it that different from the housing crisis and inflation in the US? To me it seems like a pretty universal issue.

                  We’re talking about countries that enact policies that end up taking cars, houses and people’s ability to own stuff. Ins’ that communism, even if you sell them as “making the environment better”?

                  Uh, no…? Communism was about taking stuff from the rich, not from the ones that are already poor. And so far I only saw taxes, mind linking to these alleged house seizings? I don’t know laws all across Europe, but from what I’ve seen and read this seems pretty exaggerated.

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                    Uh, no…? Communism was about taking stuff from the rich, not from the ones that are already poor.

                    Nowadays communism in Europe is about obliterating what’s left of the middle class turning everyone into poor people. After all communism is about equality, and equally poor we all shall be.

                    In the past years there were multiple attacks on home ownership and private property, the most notorious were the legal changed during the COVID time I told you about (no media fuzz but can be found as a law that I wont translate), the insolation issue and the last one was that about the forced rentals.

                    One example, forced rentals: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-04-01/forced-rental-to-go-ahead-for-vacant-homes/76271

                    Here is the other example: https://www.idealista.pt/en/news/legal-advice-in-portugal/2021/11/08/4731-can-portuguese-municipalities-compel-owners-to-carry-out-renovation-works-and#The+risks+of+non-compliance 

                    All properties in Portugal must be properly maintained. We explain when and how municipalities can intervene in this process. If the owner does not comply with the obligation to rehabilitate the property, does not initiate the urbanistic operations determined by the municipality, or does not complete the urbanistic operations within the established deadlines, the municipal council can take administrative possession of the buildings and immediately execute the determined works.

                    What more proof do you need?

                    There’s an housing crisis yes, and guess what you can’t even build new houses, the govt will make it really hard or next to impossible with a shit show of required licenses, projects, inspections and taxes.