• havokdj@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Because fix society hard, blame gunz instead.

    It’s ironic because guns at the end of the day are a tool to enact the will of it’s user. Take the gun away, and you still have a problem to face.

    All that guy is gonna do is find a gun illegally or something else to do what it is he is going to do. Mass shooters will steal box vans, people will go on knife stabbing sprees, police will become more oppressive as they have nothing to fear from the people anymore.

    It’s funny that I tell people this all the time. I would say I lean more toward the left, but liberals think that if you aren’t 100% a liberal, you’re a conservative, and that’s why we will never experience the change we need to see in this country.

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      1 year ago

      Always said, if the Dems ever want to control the gov. For a long time, just drop gun control and be in support of firearm rights. They’d wreck every election.

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      1 year ago

      Your argument ignores the effectiveness of gun control in almost every other western nation.

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        1 year ago

        Ah yes, every country and their people is the same, including their culture and politics.

        The US is a unique situation because unlike many of those other countries, the US continued to be incredibly saturated with guns and now we have firearms that are incredibly easy to access even outside of gun stores.

        My argument ignored nothing, the US is not those countries, it’s the US. Your argument also ignores something else, that being that those countries don’t necessarily have lower murder rates than the US.

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          1 year ago

          Too many guns causing issues is not a difficult problem to solve.

          Don’t necessarily have lower murder rates? The only ‘european’ country with a higher murder rate than than the USA is Russia. In fact the worst murder rate in europe in 2020 (year I’ve got the figures for) was held by Hungary, and even then it is half of what the USAs was.

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            Ah yes, telling people that that they can’t have guns, that’ll just make the guns disappear.

            Tell me exactly how you think that it should be implemented? Every approach I’ve ever seen has so far been either extremely unrealistic or a massive violation of several amendments.

            Aside from that, removing guns is not going to lower the death rate by very much in comparison to European countries for other reasons, such as affordable healthcare, livable average/minimum wages, the people in Europe tend to live a higher quality of life than people in the US.

            If people want to kill, they are going to use the easiest tool in their arsenal to do so, guns just happen to be number one on that list. Regulating guns only hurts the people, not criminals. Having a gun doesn’t just make someone want to go out and kill people.

            I want to make it very clear that I am not advocating for pro-gun anything, I am saying the issue lies with the many fundamental problems in the US. Living in the US today is incredibly stressful if you are not rich as shit, and it makes a lot of people crack.