You’re all narrative merchants who want to attribute essentially random events to something more solid, as you think the sport you love is somehow devalued if you admit it wasn’t all destiny and that if the ball had bounced 10cm in the other direction one time, a team in blue would be lifting a trophy instead of a team in red.

So even when team A batters team B, hits the post eight times and then concedes a last minute deflected winner, they weren’t unlucky, but Team B had a better mentality, or Team A’s manager always bottles things in Europe so this was inevitable, or it was actually the genius of dropping player X into a false 9 rather than playing a traditional striker that made the difference.

The fact the best team doesn’t always win is what makes football interesting. Winning any big cup competition requires being both really good and really lucky. People should embrace that.

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    11 months ago

    I get what you are saying and it’s something, that I have come to realize lately. There is a book that some guy wrote about luck in sports and if I remember correctly soccer is on the higher end of luck.

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    11 months ago

    This is one of the worst takes I’ve seen on this subreddit, and I’ve seen an infinite amount of posts and comments

    Of course luck plays a part in every game, but as I always say, football is a game of very fine margins and the smaller your margin of error is the “”“”““luckier””“”“” you’ll be every game

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    11 months ago

    The only competitive league is PL (barely?)

    Italian has been getting competitive (for sometime)

    But the only real competition is UCL & nationals

    Other than that it’s quite scripted.

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    11 months ago

    To some level yes, but not necessarily in the way you’re thinking. I don’t see it as a single game event. After all teams play many games in a season, and success is really a cumulative thing.

    I think the “luckiest” thing for a team is injuries.

    I remember SAF saying some time back, for the 98/99 year, when Man U won the treble, they were very lucky with injuries. I think only Henning Berg suffered any type of medium/long term injury, or something like that. Which meant they were able to have a full squad selection for almost the entire year.

    I’ve seen some fans argue that if Arsenal didn’t suffer injuries toward the end of the season they would have won the PL. While I would say it is debatable that without injuries they definitely would have won, but, it most certainly would have increased the likelihood, especially considering they were top until the final few weeks.

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    11 months ago

    Nah, nothing you said really even supports that. The best team wins the majority of the time, and when they don’t it’s usually due to tactics etc… Better tactics absolutely can overcome a team with better players and it’s pretty insulting to say it was just ″luck″ when a smaller team wins rather than giving them credit for playing well in the way they needed to.

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    11 months ago

    Why do everyone act as if OP said that only luck is involved in football? Of course being the best team will make you win most of the time. But on one match, luck can take its toll. That’s why it’s easier to predict the winner of the league than it is to predict a playoff style cup such as the WC or the carabao. Numbers thin out the luck.

    That’s why a team such as PSG, which is non arguably the best french club, doesn’t dominate the national cup as much as ligue 1.

    It’s also well documented that sports with low scoring are harder to predict than sports such as basketball or baseball. Again, numbers thin out luck. If you have a high number of scoring, you can luck out sometimes on a score opportunity, and luck in at another time, in the same match. In football, you have way less goal opportunities, so lucking in on one goal, or lucking out, will probably have a huge impact on the end result of one particular game.

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    11 months ago

    If the teams are both playing well without making any mistakes. The final score would be nil nil 0 - 0.

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    11 months ago

    I’d say people put way too much importance on luck. Striker hits the post ohhh! So unlucky! No. He lacked accuracy.

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    11 months ago

    I agree with you. Of course i do. I watch football since the 90s and it is in fact the reason why football is so beautiful.

    And i get that what you mean isn’t that this is always based on luck, but so many outcomes are up to coincidence. A game of football is millions of factors making little impacts and at some point a game is decided by a little breeze that carried a long ball a bit too far.

    Managers like Guardiola try to completely erase incalculability from the game, while Mourinho really tries hard to work with it. Ancelotti seems to be in total balance and control with it. Just be there and make the right decision when the time is right.

    There is also the element to work hard to achieve situations that turn out lucky for you. Players like Messi know it is important just to try until the very last moment of the game and therefore he will be rewarded by chance.