They’re planning to enter the handheld space with meteor lake. Gen to gen improvements with focus on igpu keep them relevant. Can’t fall behind in any space.
ROG Ally is a Z1 extreme AMD apu. Intel is making a meteor lake APU.
Handhelds are a microscopic fraction of the laptop market. Even if only a small portion of the laptop market cares about iGPU performance, that’s still far more impactful than anything with handhelds. This is for laptops first and foremost.
Ooh, very interesting, it would be cool to see Intel in the handheld space.
Though what you posted is about Meteor Lake (which is mobile only, not desktop). I specifically wondered about why they would include it in Arrow Lake (Desktop-) chips. Who would ever care about iGPU performance for high-end desktop CPUs?
Probably to compete with AMD’s desktop APUs. The desktop APU space does rather well in the enterprise/education sector for mass deployment in office/IT rooms where a full on workstation isn’t required.
Arrow Lake will also have mobile SoC. Lunar Lake will only cover the low power mobile segment. Arrow Lake will cover everything else.
Furthermore, iGPU and CPU tiles are separated now, so they can replace the iGPU tile or take it out entirely if they want. My guess is Desktop SoC will have a gimped iGPU version.
Yea see the the article I linked says that meteor lake is lacking in XMX and may be lacking XESS as a result, so I’m assuming that they just keep pouring R&D money at igpu sector and implementing the new builds so they can stay competitive.
Nobody is using it but they are using at the desktop level, but they are furthering the platform to be used in the handheld sector.
Also yea, commercial applications of APU’s. No need to for a discrete gpu to have a manageable workstation.
The iGPU isn’t for playing games, even with these bigger ones that can. They’re for media encoding and productivity. They’re meant to go against Apple chips.
companies like Apple and AMD have useful gpus in their SoCs, something that Intel is still catching up on. On desktop it’s not that big of a deal but for portables it is a good way to save on power+cost while still delivering adequate performance.
Also they’re going to be paying to develop these GPU IP blocks anyway, may as well use the IP as much as possible against the competition. Amortize that R&D cost. Arrow Lake will have the GPU segregated from the CPU chiplet also so it’s less likely there will be defects even if they up the GPU size, whereas something like the 13700k is already pretty big on its own even with the small igpu so it would be relatively expensive to slap a good iGPU on there.
I wonder why they invest so much into the iGPU of their CPUs. Does anyone really buy a 13700k and then game on it’s iGPU?
Perhaps someone here can clarify the logic behind this.
Have you considered that the vast majority of users don’t use their computers primarily for gaming?
Yes
The 13700K has a considerably smaller GPU than a 1360P actually, so no.
They’re planning to enter the handheld space with meteor lake. Gen to gen improvements with focus on igpu keep them relevant. Can’t fall behind in any space.
ROG Ally is a Z1 extreme AMD apu. Intel is making a meteor lake APU.
https://www.techpowerup.com/298007/intel-14th-gen-meteor-lake-apus-reportedly-feature-ray-tracing-may-lack-xess
Handhelds are a microscopic fraction of the laptop market. Even if only a small portion of the laptop market cares about iGPU performance, that’s still far more impactful than anything with handhelds. This is for laptops first and foremost.
Ooh, very interesting, it would be cool to see Intel in the handheld space.
Though what you posted is about Meteor Lake (which is mobile only, not desktop). I specifically wondered about why they would include it in Arrow Lake (Desktop-) chips. Who would ever care about iGPU performance for high-end desktop CPUs?
Probably to compete with AMD’s desktop APUs. The desktop APU space does rather well in the enterprise/education sector for mass deployment in office/IT rooms where a full on workstation isn’t required.
This was back when AMD didn’t have iGPUs at all. Every intel non f sku is what AMD would have called an APU.
Arrow Lake will also have mobile SoC. Lunar Lake will only cover the low power mobile segment. Arrow Lake will cover everything else.
Furthermore, iGPU and CPU tiles are separated now, so they can replace the iGPU tile or take it out entirely if they want. My guess is Desktop SoC will have a gimped iGPU version.
You are right, I forgot about mobile ARL.
Yea see the the article I linked says that meteor lake is lacking in XMX and may be lacking XESS as a result, so I’m assuming that they just keep pouring R&D money at igpu sector and implementing the new builds so they can stay competitive.
Nobody is using it but they are using at the desktop level, but they are furthering the platform to be used in the handheld sector.
Also yea, commercial applications of APU’s. No need to for a discrete gpu to have a manageable workstation.
Article is old btw. Meteor Lake iGPU does support XeSS. Intel posted a demonstration on Youtube.
WOW! So excited!
The iGPU isn’t for playing games, even with these bigger ones that can. They’re for media encoding and productivity. They’re meant to go against Apple chips.
companies like Apple and AMD have useful gpus in their SoCs, something that Intel is still catching up on. On desktop it’s not that big of a deal but for portables it is a good way to save on power+cost while still delivering adequate performance.
Also they’re going to be paying to develop these GPU IP blocks anyway, may as well use the IP as much as possible against the competition. Amortize that R&D cost. Arrow Lake will have the GPU segregated from the CPU chiplet also so it’s less likely there will be defects even if they up the GPU size, whereas something like the 13700k is already pretty big on its own even with the small igpu so it would be relatively expensive to slap a good iGPU on there.