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    11 months ago

    Also circumcision is an earth/human/Christian thing. Pretty sure no dnd religions even mention it, but I could be wrong about that.

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      11 months ago

      Circumcision is such a big thing in Islam that Muslim men are generally circumcised. Some Muslim cultures even circumcise girls, which naturally causes horrible suffering.

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        11 months ago

        It’s a many cultures thing. My point was it’s an earth religions thing, not a dnd religions thing

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          11 months ago

          It’s specifically NOT a Christian thing, although many Christians are circumcised for non-religious reasons.

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            11 months ago

            that is most definitely incorrect. I don’t know where you heard that, but it’s just absolutely wrong.

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              11 months ago

              “Where I heard that” is from the Christian Bible.

              Consider Philippians, Chapter 3, Verse 2.

              Philippians 3:2 in Other Translations

              2 Watch out for those dogs, those people who do evil, those mutilators who say you must be circumcised to be saved.

              Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.

              @Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.

              What made you disagree?

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                The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.

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                  11 months ago

                  Provide some evidence for your claim, then.

                  A major point of the quote I provided is that Christians are not bound by such strictures on dress, diet, mold remediation, etc., set forth in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture (which the early Christian church adapted with some changes to be the Old Testament).

                  I myself have been to a lot of baptisms, and there’s never been a circumcision involved. It’s not on me to prove a negative though…where’s your evidence?

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                    You’re ignoring what I’m saying. I never said that Christians were bound by anything. In fact I explicitly said otherwise.

                    The circumcision is never at the church, it’s always after at a hospital if the person is not already circumcised. If you never knew that I’m sorry but it’s what happens. And I’m not really going to bother with providing you evidence. You’re clearly not going to believe whatever I post as you clearly don’t read what I write anyway. You can just go look up rates of circumcision in America. Have a nice day.

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              11 months ago

              I heard it in Acts 15:5-11

              5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

              6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”