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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    the votes they win are votes that would likely otherwise go to Democratic candidates

    citation needed.

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      1 year ago

      Here’s a source for you. Note that People’s World is a socialist new organization.

      From the article, “The GOP has a long history of using the Green Party as a tool to siphon votes that might go to Democrats and of playing a spoiler role in our two-party, winner-take-all electoral system. And the Green Party leadership has opportunistically embraced the support, playing the role of what some describe as ‘useful idiots.’ […] In 2016, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein garnered 30,000 votes in Wisconsin; Trump won the state by 23,000 votes.”

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        1 year ago

        There’s an entirely other way of reading that data, which is to say that Hillary could have picked up 30,000 more votes in Wisconsin if she had been a better candidate and run a better campaign.

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        that piece is the opinion of John Bachtell. he provides no proof for his claim that the concept of spoilers is even valid. he repeats dnc talking points.

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        1 year ago

        this does not prove that i would have voted for hilary clinton in 2016. because i wouldn’t have.

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          I didn’t either–I voted Green–but the state I lived in at the time went solidly for Clinton. I didn’t like her then, I don’t like her now, but if I’d lived in a state where it would have been even remotely close, I would have voted for her rather than Trump.

          I disagree with Clinton’s politics. I disagree with Trump’s existence.

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            1 year ago

            I didn’t either–I voted Green–but the state I lived in at the time went solidly for Clinton.

            i voted for jill stein, too, and my state went to trump. i didn’t want him to win. i also didn’t want clinton to win. that’s why i didn’t vote for either of them.

            jill stein wasn’t a spoiler: she was the candidate i wanted to win.