Hey, German here. What the f*** are Americans doing at the other side of the Atlantic? Some of you already know this monstrosity. I did’nt. This is a Ford F650 Truck and when I stepped out of my Youtube Bubble I realized, it was marketed as the “biggest, baddest Truck on the road” for the everyday American. Are you guys serious?! Is the end goal really to drive a Monster Truck to McDs to get a McFlurry? Americas bloodiest wars have been fought in the middle east to secure oil, bombing nations to rubble. And all, for this bullshit? The excess, waste and decadence is mind boggling to me and people on Reddit seriously justifying this by “you know dude I’m 6,4ft. I don’t fit in any other vehicle” makes me go up the wall.
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If you want to be even more outraged by American stupidity, look up “rolling coal”. In short, morons buy large trucks like this and purposely detune their emissions systems to run poorly, decreasing fuel efficiency and spewing soot laden exhaust. The only purpose to do this is to piss off liberals, apparently.
You’re joking? Oh my,… you’re not.
The best part (/s) is when they purposefully drive in front of people with a ‘wimpy’ car, like a hybrid or EV or a car that isn’t fuckhuge, and intentionally spews smog behind them.
Very mature folk, very stable, very safe to be around, as I’m sure you can tell.
Where I live, you get up to two years in jail for brake-checking someone, and a potentially life-altering fine if you cut off a pedestrian. Cops are extremely strict about cars endangering others because they’re very easy charges. I’d love to see their reaction to rolling coal.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone brake-checking in my country. It’s almost always videos from the US.
Probably because drivers’ education in the USA is a fucking joke and licenses are handed out like candy. New drivers inherit the flaws and bad manners from their parents because they’re not required to be trained by a certified instructor.
Or bikes
and remember - they vote too!
When I see those assholes I pull up next to them and tell them to pull over so I can fart in their mouth.
Where is the 2nd ammendment if you need it?
Sadly they are not, the people that do it are the worst kind of asshole. They generally like to “roll coal” while passing electric or hybrid cars, covering them with soot. The spend thousands of dollars to be as obnoxious and wasteful as possible, all to spite “the liberals”.
It’s the best possible way to spot who was the bottom 10% of the high school class.
do they wear face coverings
You know this is by no means a common vehicle right? I’ve never seen one outside of a few pictures only found on anti-car posts. F350s are even rare to see on the roads, F150s are more common than grass and F250s are a daily sight unfortunately.
This isn’t even a 350
This is a heavily modified F650(750?). They took a commercial truck and slapped a pickup truck body on it. It’s comically useless, and costs 150 thousand dollars.
Here’s a video where a guy reviews it.
150k is about how much you’ll pay for a RAM here in Australia - and dickheads are still buying them.
Ah, the worst of the American trucks.
For that much money I could clean out an entire used truck lot, and have enough left over for another entire used truck lot, and I would have like 30 Dodge rams. So enough to make one last most of the rest of the year.
We call them Dodge Deweys (DUIs) because of that factoid that the Ram 2500 has the most drivers of any truck brand/model with a DUI under their belt.
Literally. Rams are horrible
What, it exists?! I thought it was some digital creation inspired by a 350, already an awful huge truck.
Edit: had to look at Ford’s website. The biggest pickup I could find there is an F450 Super Duty. There’s both an F650 and 750 as trucks without beds (“straight frame”). Those actual trucks.
Yeah, it’s not a stock truck. You can’t go to any dealership and buy that truck. You have to buy a commercial truck and take it to a company to turn it in to that monstrosity.
Yea I know, I didn’t say it was a 350 lol
Your average half ton pickup is 70-80k now.
You actually probably see a lot of F250s and F350s, but they are used as commercial vehicles, often with stuff bolted to the bed (or in the case of the F350, sold without a bed and have aftermarket attachments).
Many tow trucks are F350s/F450s (and bigger for towing bigger vehicles), ambulances are often F550s, bucket trucks are F650s/F750s, etc.
F150s are for the weekender dads that occasionally need to haul something around. F250s and 350s are for people that actually work (usually) this monstrosity is bullshit, anyone that genuinely needs that much truck buys an actual semi or something.
Living full time in an RV I purchased a 2500 (F-250 equivalent). I have put as much if not more miles on the thing than the “working man” (sitting about 22,000 for this year). I do agree it is a monster of a vehicle and I do try to only use it for the towing of the RV. Any chance I get I’m riding my bike. A semi for this situation is overkill and an absurd price difference compared to the 2500.
F250 is super common for construction fleet vehicles.
Yea that’s why I said they’re a daily sight. The picture in OP is a f650 though and those are very uncommon
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I’m Dutch. I’ve never seen an f150 in the flesh (metal?). I know one guy with a large pickup, he has two very tall kids and has his own business. My parents had what was considered a large car, a Citroën Berlingo.
Suv’s are becoming much more common though, and they are already often too big for our roads.
F150s are as ubiquitous in the US as Renault Clios or equivalent for you
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There is bigger, the f750 exists, is also fully customizable for commercial needs like dump truck duty or heavy hauling not needing a Peterbilt semi. There is a use case for these or they wouldn’t be made.
They absolutely are not commuter/weekend warrior vehicles like people use the f150 for and you’ll probably never see the 650 or 750 and recognize it
It’s common where I live.
The f650 is not common anywhere fuck off with that blatant lie
I don’t know how common it is, I don’t want to blurt a wrong opinion about it.
That said, a friend of mine went to the US to work as a construction manager for a few months and he was given an F750 for the time he was there by the construction company. It was kitted with a small box that was too high to actually use and really they only used it to posture about how important their position was.
I understand this might not be common at all, I’m not saying it is, I just want you to understand how this doesn’t happen anywhere else at all.
It’s just that, it is such a crazy thing to exist that it just boggles the mind. It’s excessive even for most commercial applications.
If I see three in an hour drive, that seems common enough to me. Go kiss your mother with that sewer mouth.
You clearly can’t tell the difference between truck models
This is a really braindead and disingenuous take. The F650 is a commercial vehicle. Attempting to pretend that “Americans” drive these is moronic, because the number of private citizens who drive one of these as a personal vehicle is probably in the triple digits in a country with a population of 332,000,000.
I know it’s fasionable to farm for upvotes these days by blaring AMERICANS BIG TRUCKS BAD. But no one is “driving these to McD’s to get a McFlurry.” Very, very few people own one of these just to be “decadent.”
You may as well get on your high horse about Americans driving big rigs all the time while you’re at it. Because they totally do!!! (It’s true!) Ones who are truck drivers, you know, delivering the goods you rely on every day.
On the very outside edge of the graph, there are probably a few outliers who own one of these to tow something enormous: A big horse trailer or a box trailer with their airplane in it or something. I have never seen one of these on the road that wasn’t an actual commercial vehicle like a tow truck or similar.
The problem with obviously ridiculous whinging like this is that it dilutes the actual useful message, which is that America’s transportation infrastructure is fucked up, and our reliance on fossil fuels (not just trucks) is Too Damn High.
People prefer to jerk themselves off instead of having genuine and difficult discussion. Actual improvements require compromise and accepting your position doesn’t work as an absolute. And who wants to do that when you can just demonize the other side instead to feel good about yourself?
People prefer to jerk themselves off instead of having genuine and difficult discussion.
While this is true, what is the point of having genuine and difficult discussion on Lemmy / Reddit / social media (especially about societal issues) anyway?
Are lawmakers going to look through Lemmy threads to get legislative ideas? Probably not, right?
To be clear, it’s not as if think the kind of dipshit who wants an F650 pickup truck (or any kind of “mall crawler” in general) constitutes any kind of legitimate “other side” to be demonized in the first place. “Having genuine and difficult discussion” is for situations in which multiple valid points of view exist, but people trying to defend these monstrosities are just plain wrong in the same way that a moron trying to argue 2+2=5 is wrong, and that’s the end of it.
It’s so beyond-the-pale absurd it’s not even worth circle-jerking over, and I’m sick and tired of this community’s attention being wasted on it.
Personally I’m ok with fuck cars being mainly a place for people to express their frustrations with how things are - I think that serves an important role.
I would also like to see places for more nuanced discussions about urbanism for those who are interested. I used to go to r/NotJustBikes for that, but haven’t seen any similar communities emerge on Lemmy.
The problem comes when it’s an echo chamber. I can get on board with reducing car dependence, that America is oversaturated with SUVs and trucks that are unnecessarily large, and that bike infrastructure should be improved. FuckCars, however, then devolves into purity cycles where perfectly reasonable things are hated. This is especially true for people who have no experience at all with how people use their trucks for work. That then spills over into all other communities in the vicinity, and then you get dumb flamewars as people call out their bullshit rather than swallowing it whole.
Well said. Circlejerks just create an echo chamber where people become more and more radical.
Expressing frustration is fine. The thing I really have a problem with is how misplaced it is in this case. Even if every big pickup truck (and big SUV; why not?) somehow magically transformed into a compact sedan tomorrow, we’d still have the same shitty car-dependency problem we have now. We’d still have the same number of cars demanding the same wide roads and huge parking lots, destroying walkability, making our cities insolvent, fucking up our health*, etc. Nothing would’ve actually improved in any meaningful way what-so-fucking-ever!
The arrogance of space of all cars is the thing we need to be frustrated about, and the inherent pretense of these anti-truck posts – that of redirecting criticism of all cars to one particular type of car – is at best a useless unintentional distraction, or at worst, deliberate disinformation designed to sap attention from efforts towards things like road diets and parking reform.
TL;DR: If you’re bitching about specifically big trucks, you’re not bitching about cars in general – and we should be bitching about cars in general!
(* That one’s a trifecta, BTW: lung disease from pollution, obesity from being sedentary, and poor mental health from road rage and loss of “third places” due to Euclidean zoning!)
“These monstrosities” will exist in anything short of a significantly de-growthed society. OP’s picture is not typical of an F650. They are usually converted to flat bed towing, refrigerated box trucks, utility cranes, ambulances, and dump trailers. If you don’t believe me, well, here’s a listing of used ones. Notice how many have anything like the original bed.
In Europe, Volvo and Mercedes make trucks just like it for the same kind of market. All Ford did here was take the cab of an F250 and put it on a beefier frame and drive train.
These are work vehicles, bought by people who do work. Unless you’re suggesting an immediate de-growth to the point that we no longer haul anything heavier than a cubic meter of gravel in a single trip, they will be necessary.
“These monstrosities” will exist in anything short of a significantly de-growthed society. OP’s picture is not typical of an F650. They are usually converted to flat bed towing, refrigerated box trucks, utility cranes, ambulances, and dump trailers. If you don’t believe me, well, here’s a listing of used ones. Notice how many have anything like the original bed.
I wrote “F650 pickup truck.” I also, pointedly, did not write “F650 chassis-cab commercial vehicle” or anything similar. I generally choose my words pretty carefully when writing these comments.
Maybe you should make sure you read what a person actually wrote before falling over yourself to post a dishonest strawman argument.
Communicating poorly and then acting smug when you’re misunderstood is not cleverness. Since these barely even exist as pickup trucks, who’s making the strawman, here?
These are work vehicles, bought by people who do work.
The amount of pavement princesses out there says otherwise.
Like you’re doing, right now?
No.
What an incredibly detailed, logical counterargument. This has completely changed my mind
Because all the ways to improve things I see are crap ideas that boil down to
- Let’s make driving harder not mass transit easier
- Traffic circles!
- Tax on poor people who have to be work at a certain time
- More zoning laws can fix the problems zoning laws created, zoning laws that themselves were created to fix other older zoning laws, that were created to keep minorities away
- Force upper middle class people to move to areas with poverty, get upset that middle class people moved to those areas. Also get upset when they don’t move
When all the ideas are crap you might as well crackwise since the world is burning
This is custom made by a shop. Ford sells the front end and cab, and a small shop builds the rest.
It’s prohibitively expensive to the point of being a non issue. U need to calm down bro.
Do you just search the internet for vague American shit to get mad about? Been all over this country and I’ve never seen one of these outside commercial use.
I’ve never seen a “Ford F650” either. I live in California and most vehicles are small and nimble, including a lot of Teslas lately. Ten years ago a lot of Priuses.
Hell - my next-door neighbors have horses in their backyards and so do three houses directly across the street, and I’ve never seen one of these. Everyone has 150s or 250s.
I saw one once on T Pains Cribs episode
You probably have-at construction sites or something, with giant beds meant for towing huge digging equipment, and so never noticed them at all.
You almost certainly have seen a F650, you just probably didn’t recognize it because Ford only sells them incomplete (without the bed) and they are highly customized to fit their purpose. Commonly they are dump trucks, bucket trucks, heavy wreckers (tow trucks for transports), box trucks, etc. Here’s some good pictures of what they can be used for.
I’ve seen maybe three of them, and one was at the Chicago Auto Show.
Most people in the market for a truck like this go for the dedicated commercial manufacturers, like Mack or International.
I usually see the F-450/550/650 tow trucks and the sort. I’ve also seen some fire departments with them for some specialty type vehicles.
Yeah 99% of the time these are sold as cab and chassis then used as ambulances or RVs
Having lived in Iowa, I have definitely seen these in non-commercial use.
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Usually they aren’t done up as passenger vehicles like this. I’ve seen them done up as box trucks, power line repair, tow trucks, construction site dump trucks, stuff like that. I also think the 450s and 550s are used for ambulances and things.
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These are novelty vehicles for the ultra wealthy. “Normal” pickups are already comically large and ripe for mockery, no need to hyperbolize
This is a work truck for commercial use. The bed in this image is an aftermarket mod done by someone with more money than sense. OP is just outrage baiting.
This is a work truck for commercial use, that is an overengineered abomination.
That cannot support large equipment, has no PTO, cannot safely carry a cherry picker, will not pull a low-loader 5th wheel trailer with a full load, run a flat-bed with a winch for towing cars, or carry 7 CY of wet soil in a dumper.
Commercial operations buy things based on their needs. There’s a reason why the small truck you’ve posted is almost non-existent in the US.
There’s a reason why the small truck you’ve posted is almost non-existent in the US.
Yes, it’s called overcompensating. You think other countries don’t do infrastructure and heavy machinery?
I used to drive an F650
In the military
For my job
It was a truck to refuel aircraft.
People don’t drive these on the roads, but our trucks are too big.
I’m not defending the truck or America but I don’t think that one is common outside of industry. I live in the South and have never seen one. F150’s are very common, you see F250’s here and there, and F350s are basically exclusively work trucks. I didn’t even know it went up to F650 (the F750 apparently exists but seems like it’s really only for industry).
Ford’s web site has them “starting at” $80k but without a bed or any consumer features. It seems like they’re more the base for order things like fleets of tow trucks or dump trucks. I’m sure a mega rich person can buy one but it’s probably a weird custom thing that costs $200,000 and is missing whatever creature comforts go into vanity trucks.
650s and 750s make up most of those electric service vehicles (huge boxes of tools over the wheels and maybe a cherry picker) and Ambulances. Since ambulances are private businesses (not owned by a hospital wouldn’t you know it.) They purchase their fleets and commission a box for the back. That’s why you see so many different vehicles that look “converted” - because they are!
I’m not discounting your experience but I grew up and lived in Georgia for most of my life, and you are right that f150s are very common, but I remember many more 250s than here and there, I’ve only been gone two years
And I’m sure there are no over the top vehicles in Germany…
There are some morons here that are buying American made “trucks”. More and more unfortunately, but it’s still pretty rare. Luckily it’s damn inconvenient to drive or park them in many places here.
Sadly they are becoming more by the day. The amount of Hiluxes is also steadily increasing in my neighborhood.
Saw one the yesterday in Oklahoma. They look like gaint Tonka toys and are stupid. But Chevy made one in the early 2000’s guess Ford wants into it now.
These should be outlaw. And I know how to solve the rolling coal but we need to bring back inspections for vehicles to sholve it.
It’s a medium duty truck. The 550 and 650 are most commonly found acting as either tow trucks or heavy machinery repair. Outlawing them is preposterous as they serve a purpose.
Since they’re sold incomplete (without a bed), maybe he means outlawing them being modified like this one with a silly bed? Either way, I’m pretty sure you need a commercial air-brake license to drive this thing in most jurisdictions.
One I saw had a bed and was pulling a trailer. It was loud as fuck.
To be fair, Ford doesn’t really make the final product here. They make the cab and chassis without a bed, and they’re then shipped off to companies that turn them into commercial trucks like large tow trucks. But some company started buying them, slapping on a pickup truck bed, a lift, and a bunch of cheesy accessories and 'Murica flags, then charge idiots $100,000 more than they’re worth so they can own the Libruls.
They’re so rare to see that I’m not even mad, as long as some dipshit is wasting his life savings on this instead of donating it to shit politicians.
Edit: Ford doesn’t even make or offer a pickup truck bed for these. IIRC, these beds are from F-250/350s and modded to fit.
Maybe not that recent “https://www.worktruckonline.com/335688/ford-reports-record-sales-of-the-f-650-and-f-750”. But I guess, enough guys buy em.
American here. I’ve never seen this truck before. 🤷
The F650 is a commercial vehicle. You can’t buy one from Ford without a commercial account with them. You need a CDL to drive it. They’re uncommon to see, and when you do, they’re invariably used to do actual work.
No, they’re not used just to drive to McDonald’s.
You don’t need a CDL to drive these. Doug Demuro has even reviewed one.
Slight correction on my part. It’s very easy to set one up to put it technically over the GVWR limit where you need a CDL. Ford makes it so it can be setup just below the limit.
You better.
A vehicle that size is essentially a 5.5 tons truck in Europe, which is the type of vehicle used for moving cargo or modify into a special purpose vehicles. It is not a recreational vehicle.
Thank you! I’m tired of people complaining “hur dur’ big truck bad”, without any other logical input.
I do get it. The market around the F150 (and similar trucks at other manufactures) is ridiculous. There’s luxury trim levels in there that offer two tone leather, which does not seem like the sort of thing anyone who works with their truck would want.
It’s just that once you jump up to the F250 or above, you’re mostly dealing with people who actually use their truck for truck things.
Exactly! I’m in complete agreement! We’ve been wanting the F250 for our fencing company because it seems modest for our tools. Unless someone is constantly moving aroung commercial grade material on a smaller scale the F620 helps, but not very practical for majority of society. Hopefully pushing luxury trucks is just a fad and the next best thing will be more useful for everyone.
The year is 2068. Everyone takes the bus to work. Their own personal bus.
The real pro move is to convert either a double-decker bus for personal use or a bi-articulated bus.
Chuck a fiberglass walk-in bed cover on the back of that thing and you have a 12-seater bus!
Funny thing is, a Toyota Hiace bus has 17 seats, spacious interior, and is way smaller compared to this oversized thing
the biggest baddest truck
They certainly know their target audience: 6 year olds
Damnnmn.
Except it isn’t marketed that way at all. It’s a commercial truck that needs a CDL.
It doesn’t need a cdl
The GVWR is 26-29k lbs. A CDL is required for any vehicle over 26k.
i live in the south, you never see these things in real life, and i’m deep in truck country.
these things are comically impractical. like you couldn’t pull into a parking garage, or much of anything with this. you’d be parking and walking to wherever you were trying to go. they would likely hit the limit sign and overhang on a typical McDonald’s.
the much more common trucks would be F150/250’s.
The F150 is a great workhorse of a truck, but yeah a fuck-tun of people are fetching McFlurries with them.
I know where one of these is, has a for sale sign on it outside the heavy truck wash in Brooks, Alberta.
- Agree this is a stupid vehicle
- To everyone outside the US, I don’t believe I’ve ever actually seen one of these on the road. FWIW, I’ve lived in two US states and traveled the whole country regularly for work.
The unofficial tagline for these things is, “if you weren’t born with a BIG something… Why not buy a BIG something? That’ll show em all…”
