• douglasg14b@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Generative AI is INCREDIBLY bad at mathmatical/logical reasoning. This is well known, and very much not surprising.

      That’s actually one of the milestones on the way to general artificial intelligence. The ability to reason about logic & math is a huge increase in AI capability.

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        It’s really not in the most current models.

        And it’s already at present incredibly advanced in research.

        The bigger issue is abstract reasoning that necessitates nonlinear representations - things like Sodoku, where exploring a solution requires updating the conditions and pursuing multiple paths to a solution. This can be achieved with multiple calls, but doing it in a single process is currently a fool’s errand and likely will be until a shift to future architectures.

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          10 months ago

          I’m referring to models that understand language and semantics, such as LLMs.

          Other models that are specifically trained can’t do what it can, but they can perform math.

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            10 months ago

            The linked research is about LLMs. The opening of the abstract of the paper:

            In recent years, large language models have greatly improved in their ability to perform complex multi-step reasoning. However, even state-of-the-art models still regularly produce logical mistakes. To train more reliable models, we can turn either to outcome supervision, which provides feedback for a final result, or process supervision, which provides feedback for each intermediate reasoning step. Given the importance of training reliable models, and given the high cost of human feedback, it is important to carefully compare the both methods. Recent work has already begun this comparison, but many questions still remain. We conduct our own investigation, finding that process supervision significantly outperforms outcome supervision for training models to solve problems from the challenging MATH dataset. Our process-supervised model solves 78% of problems from a representative subset of the MATH test set. Additionally, we show that active learning significantly improves the efficacy of process supervision.

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      10 months ago

      You can see from the green icon that it’s GPT-3.5.

      GPT-3.5 really is best described as simply “convincing autocomplete.”

      It isn’t until GPT-4 that there were compelling reasoning capabilities including rudimentary spatial awareness (I suspect in part from being a multimodal model).

      In fact, it was the jump from a nonsense answer regarding a “stack these items” prompt from 3.5 to a very well structured answer in 4 that blew a lot of minds at Microsoft.