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    I think you should atleast open the link and check the video description and comments. Probably it might surprise you.

    The government, to the shock and dismay of western pearl-clutchers, has a lot of credibility with the Chinese

    Harvard study made that very clear, and to every single person I have mentioned it as a response to “haha but gubmint evil CCP bad no freedom”, each of them has acted like a denialist. I always tell them as an asterisk that CPC does not get to fund Harvard, so they should use better arguments to convince me.

    Our elected government at the moment is a caste supremacist fascist party, and we have had a lot more chaos than just COVID. Whoever is dissing on us does not exactly have an idea about the hellish chaos we are going through, and it is not looking good unless this party gets kicked out forever. Their politics is Trump-ish but way worse, in a nutshell.

    One more question here. Since Russia and other socialist countries also have “authoritarian” governments yet clearly have had a response failure, why is China so different? Socialist countries generally have people in solidarity, so I want to make sense of that.

    Personally, I talk to many foreigners, and to me it seems like they will just learn to live with ignorance within a year or two. It has been troublesome for many, but atleast we are getting by here. For India, omicron is super spready, but our troubles are over in general, and the minor omicron spread we have had is all thanks to Europeans and foreigners travelling over, accounting for 80% of the omicron cases.

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      I think you should atleast open the link and check the video description and comments. Probably it might surprise you.

      It was a pleasant surprise, yes, though less pleasant was they didn’t seem to talk to any expats in Wuhan proper. That’s a damned peculiar oversight.

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        I guess they all just tried to avoid contact during those times? Not sure. However, all their work is basically remotely done in video. Nobody sensible wanted to risk getting COVID.

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          The CBC managed to interview a self-serving Canuckistani who was flexing how “brave” he was for not abandoning his family in Wuhan when the Canadian government sent evacuation flights, but not for dependent Chinese nationals. If an outfit as incompetent as the CBC can manage to track down an expat to interview, why couldn’t professional vloggers with boots-on-the-ground contact networks?

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            The “brave” part seems to have done its job in that case. People that go out of their way to socialise meet more people, is the primitive principle I can think of.

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      I think you should at least open the link and check the video description and comments. Probably it might surprise you.

      I’ll do so when I have some spare time. (Last night was a non-starter. I got injured working out so my night was spent mostly whining quietly in my corner. :D)

      Harvard study made that very clear, and to every single person I have mentioned it as a response to “haha but gubmint evil CCP bad no freedom”, each of them has acted like a denialist. I always tell them as an asterisk that CPC does not get to fund Harvard, so they should use better arguments to convince me.

      As a general rule of thumb, when I see people use “CCP” I map in “ignorant asshole”. It’s kind of … ballsy … to claim expertise in a subject when you can’t even get the name right, after all.

      One more question here. Since Russia and other socialist countries also have “authoritarian” governments yet clearly have had a response failure, why is China so different? Socialist countries generally have people in solidarity, so I want to make sense of that.

      Rice culture.

      No, really. It’s a thing.

      When the main crop of the bulk of your society is rice, and has been for thousands of years, cooperation is in your genes and memes. Rice is not a crop you can farm large-scale individually. Using ancient techniques, for a village to even farm enough rice to feed itself (not to mention an excess for use in trade) it takes a lot of cooperative behaviour that is not needed if you’re, say, farming wheat or potatoes or such. Any person not doing their thing kills the whole. Villages that didn’t learn that lesson starved to death and stopped the spread of their genes and their cultural memes. Farming rice turns out to be a powerful vaccination against maladaptive selfishness.

      Russia (which is not particularly socialist right now, and maybe never really was) doesn’t have that need to cooperate hammered into its very genetic and memetic structure. Japan and South Korea (neither of which is even remotely socialist) both do. This is why Russia fared pretty pathetically in facing a threat that was society-wide and J/SK fared relatively well.

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        Better workout properly. It makes me feel bad and go all instructor mode when I hear about injuries, since I practice MMA and have my own home gym.

        Bayarea415 (now doxxed) made me understand why CPC was the short hand that will make you not look like a doofus. I liked his videos and commentary a lot. “CCP” usage makes it easy for me to dismiss seriousness of most people as well, just as I can tell anyone who does not know anything natively about India beyond the memes, or all kinds of nuances. Learning about China (and observing HK riots by the day) also gave me extra insights into modern day Western imperialism tactics, since we were a British colony for 2 centuries.

        We grow more wheat here in general, however in South states, rice is grown more. Funnily, some Southern states also have Communist parties, whereas rest of India has either liberal or right party rule, and a lot of selfishness also exists among people. So, rice culture sounds familiar, since I have read a bit of Chinese history thanks to Nathan Rich’s Epic China series on YouTube.

        Thanks for these long responses though. I think rest of the world needs to be able to hear all this, and acknowledge this stuff. People not getting to hear more perspectives or positive news creates a disconnect between China and rest of the world.

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          Better workout properly. It makes me feel bad and go all instructor mode when I hear about injuries, since I practice MMA and have my own home gym.

          It was a new motion and I fucked up. *shrug* It happens. Since it was a new motion we went with light weight so the damage was minimal.

          People not getting to hear more perspectives or positive news creates a disconnect between China and rest of the world.

          Almost as if where by design, right? ;)

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            Someday things will change. The current US/Anglosphere hegemon will no longer be the global economic hegemon, however they will still stay the social hegemon, with English language and the general fashion and such stuff. There are a lot of things to work on for the future possible hegemons – China, India, Russia or Africa – and it is just not economic triumph.

            Having talked in realtime chats with modern day NatFashes and White Nats from USA, UK, Scotland and elsewhere, I know quite a lot of their tricks. Economic hegemon shift will be just one part of the war.