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Sounds convincing, however businesses don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. For me to trust and support this content again, the investigation of the allegations needs to produce conclusive evidence. The whole quality drama passed to the background after Madison showed up what really went inside LMG
Either LMG admits wrongdoing and dishes out consequences to those involved, or they present verifiable and damning evidence showing no abuse occurred. Unlike bootlickers at reddit and ltt forums, I don’t side with businesses against people. If you live in this world and not in your mom’s basement you’d understand why.
If LMG comes out with “we found nothing,” “no conclusions could be made,” or something along those lines without evidence, then fuck them. Not good enough.
I vote with my wallet (and time), and I won’t deal with more corpo BS while abusing emplpyees. Before any smartasses come here with the usual “you live in society” crap. Yeah I can’t go live in the woods like a hermit to be morally right, but I can sure as hell drop a shit tech yt channel.
EDIT: taking another look, the second half of the video was more defensive nonsense. Basically claiming they aren’t a twitter sweatshop, they are the victims, and some heavily edited parking loot footage as “proof”
And the turnover rate is at best a shaky argument, One can argue since it’s mostly guys, they’re not gonna be at the same situation to be bullied, insulted and sexually harassed until leaving. It doesn’t seem the culture will be fixed anytime soon, so I’m just gonna stop wasting more time with it.
The burden of proof works the exact opposite way. You make a claim, then you need to support verifiable and damnable evidence. Not the other way around.
This isn’t a court trial tbh, and what has come forth from Madison’s side (testimonies, recording, consistency) is more than enough for me to put the ball entirely on LMG’s side.
No reason to keep giving businesses the benefit of the doubt when in many cases they have every advantage over the situation.
Oh, sure, I mean, you are definitely free to do and think as you wish. Just pointing out how the burden of proof works, since a lot of people (not necessarily you) do not get how it works. Bertrand Russel, everyone!
This isn’t a court trial tbh
So just because it’s not a court trial means we should throw out innocent until proven guilty? The burden of proof is non-negotiable. These ideas have existed for centuries, they aren’t a purely legal framework.
what has come forth from Madison’s side
Which is, to be perfectly fair, limited to he-said-she-said which isn’t evidence. It’s just an allegation and very little can be decided from that alone.
At this point there is exactly zero useful information to actually derive any real decision from.
So just because it’s not a court trial means we should throw out innocent until proven guilty? The burden of proof is non-negotiable. These ideas have existed for centuries, they aren’t a purely legal framework.
I’m under no obligation to give LMG the benefit of the doubt, if I choose to abstain from watching their content due to the allegations, then that is my prerogative. My choosing to make a decision without proof either way doesn’t harm LMG further than the loss of ad revenue, etc.
That’s the difference.
How do you present evidence that it didn’t happen without uploading months of continuous security camera footage?
I think we should first wait for Madison to provide evidence that it did happen
At least there was other ex-employees who did show support to some of the stuff Madison said
ehhh, no; Colin and Taran repeatedly stated they never witnessed sexual abuse or harassment, and they can only confirm current claims are consistent with what she told them before.
I said “show support to some stuff”, not that they confirmed any of it as witnesses.
They did an okay job of addressing the accuracy issue, but failed to even mention the issues of workplace culture and absurd quotas.
It does not matter if workers start and stop their shifts at particular time - as strictly required by law - when the amount of work they are expected to do within that time frame is unrealistic.
Upping the expections for quality, without lowering those for quality, will only make things worse for everyone working there.
Not to mention it didn’t even touch on the note serious allegations of sexual harassment.
I wouldn’t expect any company would address a potential ongoing sexual harassment case via a YouTube video. Especially one that Linus is in.
“First of all, we didn’t harass female employees, we pestered them.”
but failed to even mention the issues of workplace culture and absurd quotas.
For my own understanding, was there something that was missing in their content reforms/error handling and workplace culture segments? I think they had mentioned a commitment to reducing frequency, which I understand is a solution to those, no?
Significantly less cringy than the last one. I’ll give em that. (Although that bar was low)
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Unfortunately structural integrity of the bar was compromised due to proximity to the earth’s molten core.
Bar so low, the devil drinks there.
Even James Cameron couldn’t find it. https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtfJ5VcIvM31NKM/giphy.gif
His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who’s that? It’s him, James Cameron James, James Cameron explorer of the sea With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah that’s him! James Cameron
Tek Syndicate surprisingly came out with one of the best takes I’ve seen on this situation. This could be a real damaging moment for LTT, but getting an employee union could address the criticism perfectly.
He really needs to take a step back and let Teran do his what they hired him to do. He has stated multiple times that he is no a CEO. he has no actual training or education and it has been showing for years now. Every talking head episode he pushes out like this just seems to dig his legacy further into this hole.
Ain’t listenin’ anymore, Linus.
That bit at the start about addressing the people who want to see them fail… ehhh
I mean, people who actively want to see you fail just because shouldn’t really be engaged with at all tbfh, and if he’s referrring to who I think he’s referring to, then bleah
Otherwise at least they’re back, let’s see how they improve
Who’s he referring to? What the hell did I miss?
Apparently the guy from Gamers Network is just a hater, and him bringing up all this stuff that they have to “introspect” over was just him being a dick. I mean, the fans figured he was right enough to throw a shitfit, but he should know better than to criticize Linus. After all, Linux is infallible except when he’s not.
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Still a lot of vague statements… But I really hope they actually do the stuff they say.
Also nice of him to directly call out abusive community members.
I’m pretty sure they will hear that and be like “damn right! they should be ashamed of themselves.” thinking nothing more of it…
I feel like every company is basically fucked. It’s built into how America works.
I mean, they fucked themselves by being bad journalists and having a shitty, workaholic, misogynistic culture. Those things weren’t fated to happen.
I don’t disagree, but they’re Canadian…
Whoops haha.
still technically America to be fair!
Reading the Reddit thread on this, I find it fascinating that, at the beginning of the incident, Lemmy had more balanced conversations vs the crazies on Reddit calling for LTT disbandment. Now after the latest video, it seems like Reddit seems more reasonable and receptive with Linus’ plans vs Lemmy being the LTT doomsayers.
Lemmy somehow went into a deranged rambeling mode after some time. I do not understand why, but I mostly switched over to Reddit after that.
You are a stronger person than I. I still refuse to go back to Reddit after the bs they tried to pull lol. I’ve been looking at other ltt communities, but this is still the biggest community…
You mean literally only calling out Linus repeatedly dodging the waterblock issue and stating that Unionisation would resolve most of the other employee dissatisfaction issues?
How deranged. Much Ramble.
Wow. Looks like my comments last week about waiting for both sides to speak (which were heavily downvoted) was the correct move.
You guys are embarrassing. You’re no better than toxic ass Reddit. Even the comments posted here now are ridiculous, like those refusing to watch this video lmao.
So one sided.
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Most comments on this thread are quite balanced actually. What are you even on about ?
Wut?
A simple “we can’t talk about the Madison situation right now, but we will later.” would have made this video 10x better.
“Mr. Sebastien, in your video from August 26, 2023 marked as exhibit 23B you referred to “the Madison situation”. Can you explain what you meant by ‘situation’?”
You may not like it but when there’s credible accusations of harassment, constructive dismissal, and possibly up to battery you do not make public statements of any kind beyond, “We are investigating and taking the accusations seriously”, which in case you missed it the CEO of LMG already did a week ago.
Ever thought that maybe Madison doesn’t want her drama forever a part of a video update? Or do you guys just think about yourself and what you want?
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LTT did not even have the decency to speak GamersNexus’ name, and give them respect and apology. This is all I need to know about LMG.
The stuff Madison spoke of regarding workplace abuse is something I can believe and trust blindly, but I still have my reservations on the whole “I cut myself” part, because the internet has taught me that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. GrapheneOS scum dev also claimed early May 2023 that he was attempted to be “swatted”, never giving evidence of it and silencing everyone asking for evidence.
That cuts both ways. eg: GN didn’t have the decency - while claiming to do journalism - to do a standard journalist thing and approach LMG for comment. This is all I need to know about GN.
GN does not need to approach such a colossal entity when its clear how Linus can sell some startup’s prototype despite being told otherwise. He explained his reasoning clearly on this issue. GN is arguably one of the most credible people on YouTube.
