The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to “Leftists who won’t vote” & “MAGA Republicans” teaming up to “getting revenge on liberals”.

  • WamGams@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

    The i-5 corridor. Except a thrown ballot against liberals is going to put Dace Reichert into office in Washington.

    If queer people lose Washington or Oregon as a safe haven where liberals are using the courts to ouah gay rights forward nationally, that’s the fault solely of privileged leftists, in my book.

    But you are also right, Biden didn’t earn your vote. No liberal ever will. But sometimes, the only option is to let them have it. It sucks, I know. I am sorry, but the liberal coalition is the only safe path forward for the left movement at this moment.

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      7 months ago

      I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

      i’m not leaving my home. and america is already fascist.

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        7 months ago

        If the republicans are who they say they are, and they get power over your jurisdiction, yeah, you likely will. Not in 2025, maybe not in 2028 even, but how long will it be?

        Maybe the first time you are shoved into an alleyway by an “athletic club” and your head shoved against the concrete, only to find that the district attorney decides there isn’t enough evidence to serve you justice, yeah, you will be planning your exit.

        You will not be going Rambo, you will be finding safe haven.

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          7 months ago

          i have friends. i’m not scared. you aren’t going to threaten and bully me into doing something immoral.

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              7 months ago

              Funny how libs rarely have to compromise their core values to vote for Dem candidates, while your party leadership aggressively prevents the left from gaining any purchase in the party organizational structure, but you have the gall to demand our votes while showing zero sensitivity for the left’s moral concerns about Dem projects like the ongoing extirpation of Palestinians in Gaza—not to mention the left’s very reasonable observation that concessionary voting for neolibs since Carter has created a ratcheting of American politics to the far right.

              I don’t believe Trump will break America, because the Democratic Party clearly doesn’t. No party that believed that so much was on the line would prevent a competitive primary and support a VP candidate with the lowest approval rating in history, who has no constituency behind her, when the top of the ticket is 81 years old.

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                7 months ago

                …okay, but your argument falls apart due to the fact that I’m not a liberal.

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                  7 months ago

                  If you’ve bought the lib line on voting this cycle, that’s great for you. But, you should stop shaming principled leftists like PP for not buying it.

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                    7 months ago

                    If people don’t like their privilege checked, they shouldn’t post in leftist spaces.

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                  7 months ago

                  Actions speak louder then words.

                  “We are who we pretend to be, so we should be careful who we pretend to be.”

                  If the only real political input we have is used to support the leading liberal candidate, then it’s reasonable to identify them as a ‘Liberal Voter’ regardless of who or what they claim to the contrary.

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                    This whole wing of the leftist movement that accuses everybody of being a secret liberal is really stupid and I don’t feel like wasting my time engaging with somebody choosing to take the dialog to that level.

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      7 months ago

      hat’s the fault solely of privileged leftists

      when do politicians bear the responsibility of their own actions?