- cross-posted to:
- windows@sopuli.xyz
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- cross-posted to:
- windows@sopuli.xyz
- hackernews@lemmy.smeargle.fans
TLDR: StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher and some other projects are being blocked on 24H2.
One more reason to switch to Linux
Not the person you replied to, but I think I get his meaning.
Windows/MS obviously has strong opinion on how the desktop should look like and behave and they’re shoveling it to the user hard. Gnome tends to do the same thing, although the UI/UX is completely different. Yet the similarity is in the forceful pushing said concept to the user whether user likes it or not.
Sure there are plugins for gnome so you can customize it a lot after all, but it requires some tinkering and your regular not tech savvy user won’t ever find a way to do so.
//edit: not hating on gnome. I kind of like its concept and used it for some time, although I don’t use it myself as my daily driver now.
The difference being that people go out of their way to use Gnome. People opt in to the developers vision because they see it as a good one.
Nothing is forced. Gnome doesn’t “force” you to do anything, or to use their product. And they allow any customisation you want, they’re just clear that they don’t provide any support for stuff that you mess around with.
Windows isn’t like that at all.
I don’t really agree. Imagine you were happy user of old Gnome 2, like e.g. my father. Then out of sudden Gnome 3 came, totally different in every aspect. What were your options? Either deal with it or get something different. Experienced users might (easily) overcome this, but regular user struggle. In case of my dad it meant return to windows…
Sure gnome doesn’t force you to use it. Neither does MS with windows. You’re free to install whatever you like, even TempleOS if you want.
Well you could also disagree that the earth revolves around the sun, but it doesn’t make it so.
MS does force you to use windows. They used anti-competitive practices to place themselves in a monopoly position. They forced their products into schools and governments, they forced it on OEMs, etc.
Gnome devs aren’t your slaves. It’s their project and they’re allowed to have preferences. If you don’t like their decisions, cool. Don’t use it.
If you don’t like what they do, don’t install gnome. The same goes for anything else in the FOSS world.
What a novel idea. I’m also allowed to have preferences and post them on the Internet. I’m also allowed to have bad takes.
It doesn’t change the fact that GNOME and Windows are defaults in certain spheres of computing. Which tends to people bitching about the choices those projects make. Certainly as a home user I’m not forced to use them but what about as an employee or student. But I’m your worldview I should opt to be homeless and uneducated.
Anyway, my comment wasn’t entirely fuck GNOME. Their design philosophy is minimalism and simplicity sometimes at the behest of options. Which is not unlike the choice Windows made here. However, that’s not too say that it’s always a bad choice, KDE may have too many options. But, yes, I was being a bit tongue in cheek.
Thanks,
Original guy you replied to
Of course you’re allowed to have preferences and talk about it. I encourage you to do so, I love talking about this stuff and I love seeing people do the same.
But it’s really tiring when the conversation, 100% of the time devolves to KDE users hating on Gnome for zero reason. As if there’s only space for one DE and having a choice in the matter is wrong.
If you don’t like Gnome, just don’t use it. And try to accept that just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Trying to equate Windows being a default with Gnome being a default is crazy and you know it. I’m not even going to bother explaining why, it should be so obvious.
KDE is the default in plenty of situations too. It doesn’t mean it’s forced either.
I also never said you should be homeless or uneducated. Please don’t lie. All I said was that you aren’t forced to use Gnome. Because you aren’t. You’re lying there.
Nobody is forcing you to use Gnome.
It’s interesting how I never said anything inherently bad about GNOME or good about KDE. I understand the meme is tiring for you and the rest I’ll agree to disagree on. I’m aware open source software is not forcing anything for anyone.
Lastly I’m not lying, it’s hyperbole. I’m just using an extreme example to point out how you’re stonewalling any response given to you with similar bs.
You remarking that Microsoft must have hired Gnome devs was clearly meant as an insult. Don’t play dumb.
You didn’t come onto a submission about MS doing something shitty and say “Microsoft must have hired Gnome devs” as a compliment.
Gnome wasn’t even mentioned, you just shoehorned it in because you wanted to be one of the weird subset of KDE users that get angry that Gnome exists, for some reason.
And again, it didn’t make sense anyway. Gnome is nothing like Windows, it’s KDE and Cinnamon that are Windows UX clones.
I don’t even use KDE but go off king. You must be a GNOME dev or something lmao