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- privacy@lemmy.world
- becomeme@sh.itjust.works
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- privacy@lemmy.world
- becomeme@sh.itjust.works
Horrifying privacy implications aside, AI has really become the new cryptocurrency.
Don’t get me wrong, both technologies are interesting, but it’s tiring to see both be forced into applications that functioned just fine without them.
It’s arguably worse, since it seems to be more pervasive than crypto and NFTs were at their peak.
Crypto never really hit the mainstream, and even NFTs were still fringe. Whereas AI and AI accelerators are packed into basically every new phone and (Intel) processor.
Regulatory hurdles kept crypto out of most mainstream products. There are no such barriers for AI, and any that are put up may come too late.
There are also more possible mainstream use cases for AI - if the technology works as promised. That’s the biggest for AI currently, and some products like the Humane Pin are already tripping over it.
There are way more uses cases to the average person than crypto so that’s only natural. There’s also a trust issue with crypto that doesn’t exist with AI, as well as losing your money when things go wrong.
That being said, I don’t approve of this nor adding it randomly to products where it clearly has little use. If people want generative software, they can just choose to install it.
Why call out Intel? Pretty sure AMD and Nvidia are both putting dedicated AI hardware in all of their new and upcoming product lines. From what I understand they are even generally doing it better than Intel. Hell, Qualcomm is advertising their AI performance on their new chips and so is Apple. I don’t think there is anyone in the chip world that isn’t hopping on the AI train
Because I was only aware of Intel (and Apple) doing it on computers, whereas most major flagship mobile devices have those accelerators now.
GPUs were excluded, since they’re not as universal as processors are. A dedicated video card is still by and large considered an enthusiast part.
Fair enough. Was just asking because the choice of company surprised me. AMD is putting "AI Engines in their new CPUs (separate silicon design from their GPUs) and while Nvidia largely only sells GPUs that are less universal, they’ve had dedicated AI hardware (tensor cores) in their offerings for the past three generations. If anything, Intel is barely keeping up with its competition in this area (for the record, I see vanishingly little value in the focus on AI as a consumer, so this isn’t really a ding on Intel in my books, more so making the observation from a market forces perspective)
Of course they all are, its easy as they already make GPUs, and companies want to use it.
You’re not wrong that GPU and AI silicon design are tightly coupled, but my point was that both of the GPU manufacturers are dedicating hardware to AI/ML in their consumer products. Nvidia has the tensor cores in its GPUs that it justifies to consumers with DLSS and RT but we’re clearly designed for AI/ML use cases when they presented them with Turing. AMD has the XDNA AI Engine that it is putting its APUs separate from its RDNA GPUs
But what about my Web 3.0 AI cryptocurrency in the metaverse?
“An app that lets you make nfts from images created by a camera in the metaverse”
Isn’t that already a thing? That surely has to be a thing already.
Probably already got rugpulled.
Written in rust.
AI what?
both technologies are interesting
AI has uses that aren’t about covering your tracks or evading law enforcement. Edit: bring on the downvotes, cryptobros.
I definitely understand your view on crypto, and I hate to be an apologist, but here’s a view you may not have considered:
I think mainstream society has gotten far too comfortable with the lack of privacy in our everyday lives, and this extends to finance. A company has no business tracking the data about my purchases, let alone selling it. The government doesn’t need to know everything I spend money on either.
As with most topics relating to privacy, it’s not that I worry about what I have to hide. I worry about your intention with that information. As one example, if I were needing to buy Plan B for an emergency contraceptive, there is a not insignificant portion of our government and the general population that frowns on that, and could paint me as a target in the future if it was known.
The problem is that crypto is not untraceable like it’s fans want to push. There have been multiple instances of it being tracked back and traced, by private individuals and law enforcement. It’s just debit card processing with extra steps and massive drain on resources.
Monero exists and is constantly being improved in that regard. And even traceability aside, you’re forgetting one massive usecase: unlike debit cards, its usage cannot be denied or restricted.
I am in full agreement with your view on privacy, but I don’t think that cryptocurrency is a solution. People far more eloquent than I have already fully described why elsewhere, so I’d just like to thank you for your civil response.
I fully agree, I just think the solution is cash. Use cash for normal payments. Buy a house with 20s even. Ok maybe not that, but for groceries or when you would use Venmo yeah do it
I agree cash is the right idea, for now, but can you say for sure cash payment will be possible forever, or even the next 50 years? Wouldn’t it be better to blunder around with new ideas while cash is still a good fallback? Not saying I like crypto, and the cost on resources and the environment sucks bad, but I can at least appreciate them trying something. Now we just need to come up with sustainable options…
I get that cash seems a pretty durable idea, and it’s lasted for hundreds of years, but it did so before the massive societal turn towards technology we’ve made in the last 30 years.
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Crypto is cash for digital world. The only existing analog I can think of is sending cash by mail, which is obviously slow and not guaranteed to.npt be stolen or confiscated on its way.
our government
Not mine. Classic Murica problem, I suppose?
Yes, but evading LEOs is good and buying drugs online in a free and open marketplace is my sacred, moral and god-given right than no glowie should infringe upon
I fully agree. I just also think crypto is terrible for that use case. If you’d be caught for using Venmo for drugs they can catch you using crypto. It might be harder, but that whole public immutable ledger means all they have to do is tie accounts to names. Which coincidentally you need to do to cash out or cash in.
Which coincidentally you need to do to cash out or cash in.
Yes, and no. You do need to cash in at some point, but you don’t have to do it thru a public exchange. People do sell physical wallets for hard cash. And even if you do use an exchange, when I last looked into crypto the common currency for drugs (monero) was obtainable on exchanges that didn’t have KYC rules. Outside of exchanges, you can also transmit currency directly to other parties, and once you use tumblers and other anonymous platforms, tracking becomes extremely difficult. It’s not impossible, but it becomes troublesome enough that unless you’re a big fish/crime lord/whatever, the FBI/interpol/whoever isn’t going to be bothered wasting resources.
Using Venmo anonymously is much harder than XMR or even BTC, and probably illegal too.
Public immutable ledger as a means of tracing is not an issue XMR has because it’s all anonymous.
But even if LEOs wanted to tie all that to names then they’d have to use either bank records (easily avoided - don’t buy anything from a bank or licensed exchange and not P2P with bank cards or anything else tied to them i.e. use PayPal under a fake name if you were grandfathered in before all the KYC shit) or they’d have to tie it to shipment addresses for stuff off DNMs which they could, if they bust a vendor, but it doesn’t mean jack shit in a court of law - Who ordered a kg of amph to my household? Lord only knows.
So, how will this work and comply with laws regarding its use in a medical institution?
What about its use in a company that has extremely valuable trade secrets that need to be kept that way?
What about the military?
Wouldn’t this make for an excellent target to harvest data for hackers?
I wonder if Win 11 LTSC will leave it out.
Microsoft will release a GPO or MEM setting that works 20 percent of the time to turn off the constant AI data mining, only available to enterprise SKUs.
Other than them having some setting only for enterprise users, there’s another question - what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?
In America who knows. In Europe, it’s probably the law
what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?
If law forces them, Big IT will challenge it only to get a few years to mine data and get a few billions. Or outright violate it, because the penalty will be less worth.
Military would be fine, because they don’t tend to update very frequently, if at all. If it works, that’s the way it will stay, and the recent controversy wouldn’t exactly encourage them to do so.
What about its use in a company that has extremely valuable trade secrets that need to be kept that way?
Same way the LLM debacle has currently gone, where people will just throw sensitive information into it with abandon. At least one major tech company has penalised workers for doing that with ChatGPT.
If there’s a group policy to turn it off, maybe, but Microsoft might just not have one, or it’ll need to be disabled every update.
Honestly it’s still strange to me that the us dod doesn’t have their own in house operating system
Very good questions!
Most importantly - is it watching my porn with me too and learning about that?
Honestly I’m already not a big fan of Windows 10 so if Microsoft tries to force me to download Windows 11 with all these nonsense AI features that spy on you I’m just gonna switch to Linux
I switched in November. I have no regrets. I rarely run into issues, and having the control to make decisions over my own computer is superb.
having the control to make decisions over my own computer is superb
I find it really sad that it has come so far that feelings like these exist. That should be a matter of course. Instead, it has become a special feature.
I switched last week. It was pretty easy with only a few small issues.
Same! It was actually a pretty big surprise that Mint worked flawlessly out of the box on my crappy pre-built PC. Everything’s working great including the printer! I’m seriously impressed.
As worse and worse win11 features are unveiled it’s so funny to see these posts slowly filled with more “yeah i just switched to linux” comments.
Obligatory Linux mint post.
Switched to mint on my laptop a couple months ago and love it, using it full time on that system. Still need to run windows on my desktop for some audio production and VR gaming, but honestly that system is going to Mint next for the other 90% of the usage. Couldn’t believe how refined the Linux desktop experience has gotten, but then again last time I gave it a try was probably well over a decade ago :)
Really loving Bazzite so far.
what specs do you have? im wondering since im planning to install it on my school laptop (lenovo thinkpad 11e 4th gen, 4gb ram, 128gb ssd, intel celeron, integrated graphics.) and in wondering if it would work somewhat fast, especially at web browsing.
The web is just heavy, no OS changes that. It will work fine but that ram could be filled by a few heavy sites.
yeah I just realised that fact, currently I use chromium and it is quite fast on my system so I don’t think there will be issues there. aside from that, how fast are windows programs compared to ordinary windows?
My apologies on the late reply, I currently have Bazzite on three devices, My main PC: Ryzen 7 3700X, RX 5600, 64Gb DDR4. My main laptop, a Lenovo E590. And my backup laptop: A Lenovo L412. So far, I prefer it over windows on all three.
pfff… I’m going back to Windows XP Pro x64 Edition.
Everything you need to know
Is to delete windows 11
Yep, that shit won’t be running on my computers.
*That won’t be acknowledged running on my computer.
Correction. If you’re running any kind of closed source software AND haven’t disabled Intel ME (or PSP) Then this is the accurate reality shining on you illusion of reality.
Also, get you a lap shade or that 10-dimensional…whatever is still racking your boxby watching you out of every camera. Every.Camera.Everywhere
Well… given every single Windows update has failed for the last few months for me it really won’t be running on my PC.
I’m going to need to wipe the bloody thing soon though because of the security risks.
Time to go back to Linux Mint I guess
yeah, no thanks so fucking very much
No fuckin thanks…
Yep, the AI will be watching, including porn. (not confirmed since not out)
‘It looks like you’re writing a letter. Would you like a tentacle with that?’
Bring back Clippy
They renamed it Creepy.
So they disable this in EU, right?
Useless bloatware. And then they added AI.
For the average user, with maybe a little bit of IT knowledge but doesn’t work in IT, what can we do for ourselves and our families other than go to win 11 eventually?
Unironically, switch to Linux. Mainstream distros like Mint, PopOS or Ubuntu are very friendly for casual users, have GUIs for everything and if something does go wrong, the error messages actually have proper meaning and you’ll find tons of resources online as well as people willing to help.
Most stuff nowadays runs in a browser anyway, so here there’s no compatibility issues, office is available in Linux through libre office and gaming has come far with steam and proton.
I trust Ubuntu about as much as windows
I don’t like Canonical either, hence my recommendations for Mint or Pop being listed first. But let’s be real, if someone wants to just get away from windows and wants something that works without having to learn much new, this is good enough.
On the bright side: If you’re tech-savy enough to form that opinion, you’re probably not the intended audience for this advice.
why?
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Well… That’s shitty behaviour. I’m luckily not on Ubuntu. Thanks for clarification.
Honestly I think windows is so fucked in terms of market share and it seems like they are kind of just pre-emptively ceding the battle to linux intentionally or not.
Yeah people have been waiting for years for linux to eat windows for lunch and it hasn’t happened yet but I am convinced that linux becoming massively more practical and easy to use for gaming (Steam deck being a good catalyst) in the last couple of years has pushed things past a tipping point. Gaming might not make up the outsized chunk of desktop usage, but gaming is where people experiment, try new things, learn software inside and out and it is where people are most inspired to contribute and build and polish out the annoying little details of complex systems.
Yeah Microsoft will have its walled moats around entire sectors of business indefinitely into the future, and that probably is where most of the consistent money is, but I think Microsoft shitting the bed with Windows 11 so hard is creating the rosiest forecast for the future of Linux desktops I have ever seen in my life.
These twin factors converging has got me bullish af on Linux in the near to mid term.
Let’s fuckinnn gooooooo
The day Linux says all video games are compatible with their OS is the day I finally switch from Windows for good.
Until then I’m using a pirated version of Win11Pro and wondering how this AI will work with pirated copies.
The day Linux says all video games are compatible with their OS is the day I finally switch from Windows for good.
I mean Wine and steamOS’s Proton are that though? Sure compatibility isn’t perfect but the vast majority of games I have tried worked all the way from current AAA games to games like Steel Panthers WinspWW2, a DOS game from the 90s that barely functions on a modern windows computer but yet runs perfect on my Deck. Because the deck is using a virtual environment to emulate a windows OS it actually arguably creates a more stable platform to run windows software than windows itself running the program normally.
Pretty much the only obstacle left is stupid super invasive anticheat/spyware software that doesn’t bother to cover Linux in competitive multiplayer games.
Kernel-level anticheat and DRM are killer features, like it or not. People don’t care how invasive they are, they want to play League of Duty. If Linux can’t do that then it’s not good enough yet as far as they are concerned.
Meanwhile the only thing keeping me from switching to Garuda on my desktop is that the GPU is wonky and misbehaves even worse under Linux than it does under Windows. Screw competitive online games.
Then Linux may win over Windows for gaming, but games might lose to tinkering for me. Cause no way in hell I’m installing a kernel-mode trojan consciously.
If Linux can’t do that then it’s not good enough yet as far as they are concerned.
Linux can do that, see The Finals, Halo Infinite, Apex Legends or any number of other games. It’s just the anticheat companies are sketchy and often uninterested in doing even a little bit of work to add Linux support.
Lol, not even Windoof is compatible with all video games.
yeah right, that data definitely won’t be sent to microsoft.