On lemmy.world I posted a comment on how liberals use ‘tankie’ as an invective to shut down dialogue and received tons of hateful replies. I tried to respond in a rational way to each. Someone’s said ‘get educated’ I responded ‘Im reading Norman Finkelstein’s I’ll burn that bridge when I get there’ and tried to keep it civil.

They deleted every comment I made and banned me. Proving my point, they just want to shut down dialogue. Freedom of speech doesn’t existing in those ‘totalitarian’ countries right? But in our ‘enlightened’ western countries we just delete you.

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    Marxism-Leninism is a branch of science. What I’m saying is that we all get the same results because that’s how science works.

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      Everyone who has in interest in science knows that you can’t prove opinions, but only facts. You can prove stuff like “capitalism is destroying the ecosystem” or “China masacered the Uigurs” you can’t prove stuff like “Stalin was right” or “the bests way to interpret Marx is to consider the context he wrote in”

      That’s the basic difference between empirical and normative science.

      And basically all questions of politics are at least partially normative.

      I agree that materialistic dialectics can be used as scientific tools, and are by most people, but science also means, you accept that no one can have the “only true opinion” as empirical facts can be interpreted widely different and no human has ALL information. And even if one had, there are always subjective weightings at play (is human suffering worse than human death? Is animal death worse than human suffering? Is the system more valuable than individual freedoms?)

      Science means knowing what you can and can’t prove, so if you are scientific, you know that not everybody comes to the same conclusion even when using the same facts.

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        gonna need proof of “China masacered[sic] the Uigurs[sic]” that doesn’t cite the far-right extremist Falun Gong cult, its “news” site The Epoch Times, or its Western mouthpiece, fundamentalist evangelical Christian pastor Adrian Zenz.

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        So what’s your problem then? The tanks were sent and the nazis were crushed. Also, krushchev sent the tanks, not stalin. What’s your problem with stalin?

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        At least nobody is actually deleting your comments. When I posted the original thing to lemmy.world about how the word ‘tankie’ is used to stop all discourse, and then responded with many points, they deleted everything. As in poof no dialogue at all. At least we are all reading your words and responding. The downvotes don’t mean anything other than there is disagreement with the conclusions of the argument is all. I say keep talking! I will upvote all your stuff. It is all about dialogue.

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          For real, they complain about “authoritarian tankies and their echo chambers” when we’re not even censoring them like they do to us, they just can’t handle being shown to be wrong.

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            You can’t be an echo chamber because others are worse, that’s your argument?

            I have not been shown wrong, under this post I was agressivly told “that tankie means everyone you don’t agree with”, that “everyone who uses the word tankie is a lib and therefore wrong.” Execept you call yourself one, then you get cherished and upvoted) , and it was implied, that I love Nazis if I don’t agree with the people here.

            Lots of people made lots of claims, but there wasn’t anything shown let alone proven.

            That’s no discussion culture, that’s a “have my opinion or get out” culture.

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              and it was implied, that I love Nazis if I don’t agree with the people here.

              Just admit that you didn’t know about the nazis in hungary, and you can still get out without being called a nazi enabler

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          Yeah, but there is no real dialogue with most people here. Even if its just a question about what a word means.

          Me: tankie comes from tanks They: no it means “commie I don’t like” Me:that’s not what most people think of when hearing the word, there can be different opinions about using tanks against civilians They: “so you love Nazis?”

          That’s not what I understand to be an discussion. A discussion would mean listening to the other party and trying to understand. With most people here its either like talking to a wall or talking with someone who’s hobby it is building strawman arguments

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            I’ll say it again:

            If you don’t send tanks into hungary, the nazis will do pogroms and construct concentration camps there. Not sending tanks is inhumanly cruel.

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            You’re not here for a dialogue, you’re here because of a nagging sense of being complicit in something monstrous that compels you to justify your shallow beliefs and corrosive way of life by spewing half-digested propaganda at people discussing the problem.

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              Ahaha I wish you could read this from my perspective. You guys are so funny desperately trying to prove I’m a fascist/lib/nazi.

              All the baseless assumptions you need to make to keep your blissfully “I’m the hero and everyone else is dumb” mindset.

              Its just comedy gold