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I don’t like memes like this because they are easily dismissed, since the left absolutely has problems, and it’s not just “we want healthcare”
However, the truth is, for all the faults the left has, they pale in comparison to the right wing batshittery.
The USA has a left party?
Moonbats who promised something to an altar of Joe Stalin are a minority of leftists, including radical leftists such as most people here.
The right-wing nutcases are the hegemon. Those who aren’t themselves that extreme at the very least enable them, if not passively want the same things.
Sometimes the best you can hope for is things only getting a little worse
Unfortunately it doesn’t take much of a leap to translate that into “Prop up this system which was shaped by boomers for decades just long enough for the boomers to enjoy their retirements.”
No thanks. I’d rather the boomers are still alive to see what happens.
As an outsider I see another problem with most of the US political discussions here. You all say that the republicans are obviously worse, make memes about them to your dudes to laugh at them. Yet half of your country active voters are likely to vote for them, would probably be more if they weren’t inherently apolitical.
This whole American political discourse seems more fit for /r/im14andimsmart because it’s mostly shitting on your opponents despite the fact that after 12 of the 16 years(the whole generation) of the democrat presidents more people want to vote for the other party.
I find it weird how you guys just laugh and meme at that like it’s non issue or just act as those people(hundreds of millions) are just stupid.
Do Simpsons screenshots automatically get that font when you try to put the text on, or is it something that just everyone has decided to do across the board?
Most people get these images from frinkiac.com and that site uses a font called Akbar.
The same people also run morbotron.com for Futurama and masterofallscience.com for Rick and Morty.
a font called Akbar
Named after Akbar of Akbar and Jeff, I assume.
Yeah dude really we get it the right are bad and they’re evil but holy shit how come the Democrats have to be so fucking awful at their job?
You’re going to get downvoted, but You’re not necessarily wrong. So often the Democrats take the “high road” and let Republicans walk all over them because the Republicans don’t care about the rules or about decorum.
And Democrats are SO BAD AT MESSAGING. I mean my god, they should be shouting their successes each and every time they speak, but you really just don’t hear it. And every new movement gets so easily misconstrued by Republicans because of the nature of how complex the ideas and solutions are, so actual intent gets lost in “defund the police” and “black lives matter” (both of which I wholly support, so don’t come at me). Those phrases mean something extremely important, but it’s too easy for Republicans to make them sound like they mean something bad.
And journalists don’t care because controversy sells, not wins.
Making the case that the government needs to step in and take control of many if these issues, but Dems dont want that either because wE’rE a cApiTaLiSt nAtIoN.
And DtP and BLM could easily be advanced by simply posting videos everywhere of police brutalizing white people , because the right cheers when they see police brutalize blacks. Dems DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH
aaaand you just went off into the deepend.
Like I was saying: you dont know who you’re dealing with.
no edgelord, we get it, we simply don’t care about you.
Well that’s great because your way is working so well that we have the same lineup we had three years ago
Yes. If you’d cared back in 2022 to begin campaigning on a replacement candidate (I canvassed for Bernie) I could understand your outrage.
As is, the rest of us have a job to do. If you’re not in on the better of the two, you do you champ.
Too bad USA doesn’t have a viable left party
Hard to have a left party when we’re making new grounds of what a right-wing party can look like.
a viable left party will emerge when the republicans are long gone from politics, just the way the whigs went the way of the do do bird. i don’t know why people can;t see this. it’s a duopoly. everybody knows this. how can a viable third party exist in that format? yes, ranked choice voting would be ideal, but what if it never happens? vote blue no matter who until the choice becomes vote radical left no matter who. this is how you achieve change without resorting to violence.
Liberals aren’t left. You guys have far right and neolib mid-right
I only ever see “both sides are the same” as a atrawman, here. I’ve never seen it presented genuinely, generally I see “I have issues with the Democrats” and the only response is either “but the other guys are worse” and “bOtH sIDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!”
ALMOST as if having an actual conversation about the problems people with the Democrats makes people uncomfortable.
If you really want to change the party, JOIN it, convince like-minded people to join, and start changing it from the inside.
You know, like the way Trump and MAGA changed the Republicans.
MAGA had the support of moderate Republicans.
Leftists and progressives do not have the support of moderate and liberals. They made this clear in the 2020 primaries. Anyone to the left of Biden was too radical. Liberals and moderates made it clear again yesterday when they celebrated police breaking up the protestors. When Biden was asked if the protests have made him reevaluate his policies in Israel he simply said “No”.
There’s no room for us in the Democrat party so I’ll be voting 3rd party.
Voting third party for president won’t solve that problem, it will just help, in your case, a more right wing POTUS get into office, one who has proven to be especially dangerous to our democracy. It’s a dumb idea because it’s counter productive to your goals and virtually useless.
If you want better representation you’ll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
You’re trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Voting third party for president won’t solve that problem
I’m aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
If you want better representation you’ll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don’t show up. We’re at an impasse.
You’re trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Actually I think that’s what you’re doing. The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
I’m aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn’t do anything.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don’t show up. We’re at an impasse.
I’m not taking about the primary, i’m talking about how the vote is done. If we can get rid of fptp voting system, and replace it with something like star voting, then people are more free to vote for who they want instead of using reason and voting strategically. This is the way to increase the chances of getting more liberal people elected.
The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn’t do anything.
I can stay home if that would make you feel better?
If we can get rid of fptp voting system
Never going to happen with the kind of candidates who make it through the primaries.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
Ok then accept I’m going to vote 3rd party and stop trying to convince me to do something else.
All peolpe who say all liberals aren’t left are idiots who like to lump everyone into one box to make their point.
Neoliberalism is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics by Ronald Reagan and Margret Thatcher. Later embraced by the most right wing of the american pseudo left like Clinton who abandoned their traditional union and grassroot support for the big banks and extra large corporate funding. This led to the embracement of neo conservativism by Newt Gingrich and the right in general to differentiate themselves from the new political shift from the pseudo left wings encroachment on their bread basket, the corporations. Enter the US downward spiral to our current political landscape as the neolibral wing marches ever right and the conservative wing courts the endless bag of batshit crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Just because the word has the root liber in it does not make it left on a political spectrum.
Liberalism is pro-Capitalist, it was only ever considered left wing when it was revolutionary, ie in feudalism.
In the modern, Capitalist and Imperialist era, Liberalism supports the status quo and is right wing because of it.
Liberals aren’t left.
Leftism is when you’re in favor of a 3% increase in the marginal tax rate, an increase in the number of Pell Grants issued annually, and an expansion of eligibility for Medicaid under a new means testing regime…
What you’re thinking of is the Far-Left, which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany.
Its called Horseshoe Theory. And if you weren’t so busy skipping classes to go protest Joe Biden, maybe you’d have learned about it.
“The left”
“Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!” I cry as I’m dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I’d go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair
Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
Because the political compass is a lie meant to perpetuate “both-sidesism”.
Let’s look at the vertical axis. Would you agree Biden is pretty much as Authoritarian as Trump?
No. Grow up.
Biden regarding black people: “Superpredators”
Biden regarding Palestinians: “Kill their women and children if you have to.”
Please stop using the political compass. Perpetuating right wing propaganda and misinformation is not helpful.
Which one do you suggest?
One what? The left/right spectrum is a complex web of ideals. On the right you have consolidation of wealth and power and on the left you have egalitarianism (equally shared wealth and power).
The extreme right contains power structures like dictatorship, monarchism, and oligarchy.
The extreme left contains power structures like direct democracy, anarchism, and communism (lower-case C; inclusive of, but not limited to, Marxism).
There is no “leftist authoritarianism” - that’s an oxymoron - authoritarianism in any form is nothing more than garden-variety rightism. Rightists appropriating leftist terminology to confuse and control the populace is a bog-standard rightist strategy. It’s really that simple.
And where do you think, no access to free healthcare, no access to free education, legalized lobbying, criminalised prostitution, industrial military complex, for profit prison system, falls into that spectrum?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the democratic party is not about to change any of those.
It seems like you just made the point without getting the point.
The US Democratic party, its leadership, and the majority of its members are right wing. There is nothing to be surprised about here.
Being “less to the right” than violent, fascist Republicans doesn’t make them leftist, it just makes them “less to the right”.
Why don’t you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Or maybe you already belong to a party, and are just trying to create apathy to prevent people from voting Democratic to ensure Trump gets re-elected?
Why don’t you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Careful now. That sounds a lot like encouraging people to vote 3rd party in the upcoming election.
They didn’t say anything about voting in presidential elections. They said start a campaign and advocate for the change they want see.
Lol okay buddy.
Fuckin’ wrecked nerd.
Campaign in which party smart guy?
Any party you want in local elections, jesus fucking christ, do you not know what fucking “grassroots” means? God damn.
Or maybe I’m not American and I’m just pointing out there is no “Left” in America
Both sides are corrupt, not “the same”
One side is more corrupt than the other.
Which side that is, I leave as an exercise to the reader. But I assure you one side is worse, and that means we have to vote for the other side.
Corruption is OK as long as one is the lesser of two evils.
Cringe meme
They want you to have paid healthcare to protect their lobbyists’ profits.
Unless you fall under medicare or medicaid, have fun paying insane insurance costs to cover your medical bills because the “left” is too busy using all their budget to fund a genocide.
Coup
2020 Election was clearly stolen. Calling J6 a “coup” or “insurrection” is the hoax of the century. Just look at the footage they don’t want you to see of DC police escorting Jacob Chansley through the building. Or Ray Epps shouting, “We need to go IN to the capital.” And running free while thousands are locked up as political prisoners.
Let’s just completely forget about the “Summer of love” in 2020 with all of the “mostly peaceful protests” and George Soros attorneys refusing to prosecute while innocent people are killed, and buildings burned and looted all over the country.
Healthcare
When we decided to subsidize education with tax dollars prices skyrocketed, and quality went down.
Same story with Healthcare. Both are bureaucratic nightmares.
Both sides are the same
The House voted on Wednesday to pass the bipartisan Antisemitism Awareness Act. Completely gutting your 1st Amendment freedom of speech. The House vote was 320 to 91 with 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans voting against the bill. The politicians in this country are openly betraying you. It doesn’t matter left or right. They’re not working for you. They’re bought and paid for by lobbying money.
