• lemmyreader@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    It is very strange to me that Lemmy users are behaving in a reverse manner to how they should. Are they too young? Or are they too bad at privacy game, believing all this Proton/Graphene/Brave and whatever else is trendy?

    It is indeed probably a new and young generation preferring to watch videos on their smart phones rather than reading from a desktop computer. YouTube (with its influencers and content creators) is very popular and that is unlikely to change any time soon. Problem is that getting privacy and also security right is not that simple. Take for example the Riseup and Disroot comments in this thread. I trust Disroot and Riseup to do the right thing, and I bet that handing over personal data would be about the last thing they would ever do. I guess this is difficult to understand for people who have nothing at all in common with activism and for that matter anti-capitalism.

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      6 months ago

      Serious topics like privacy and self improvement have become very similar in people’s perception. They are also just another thing to consume, as unhinged as it sounds. Everything must be consumed, everything must be rented. Everyone must live in a distorted perception of “safety”, whose harbingers are fucking western corporations. It is insanity and it must be prevented from taking over Lemmy’s communities atleast on main .ml instance, and I will do what is needed to prevent that, in places I moderate.

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        Serious topics like privacy and self improvement have become very similar in people’s perception. They are also just another thing to consume, as unhinged as it sounds. Everything must be consumed, everything must be rented. Everyone must live in a distorted perception of “safety”, whose harbingers are fucking western corporations. It is insanity and it must be prevented from taking over Lemmy’s communities atleast on main .ml instance, and I will do what is needed to prevent that, in places I moderate.

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      6 months ago

      Oh so you believe that Proton wants to hand out user data? Absolutely not. It gives them bad publicity and discredits them.

      Capitalism and activism has nothing to do with the subject. We’re here for privacy and anonymity. A good service is trustless. It’s not up to Disroot and Riseup to decide whether they’ll hand out user info or not. They subject to some legislation because of the country they’re based in, and I don’t think they’re willing to go to jail by not cooperating.

      And you can spread your hate towards the younger generation and smartphones all you want, it only makes you more irrelevant. You didn’t write any argument as to why those services are better except “they’re activists” and “I trust them”, which doesn’t matter in any way.

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          6 months ago

          Except with a VPN you’re not identified by the servers you connect to, so they can safely not log any traffic and as such, law enforcement can’t ask to hand out data about a specific account because they don’t know which account did it. Same goes for logging the IP of the account, because again, they don’t know which account it is, and can’t force a service to log all users for the sake of finding one.

          It’s not true for mail services however, as the email address is your login and/or is linked to a specific account, forever and exclusively.

          Disroot stores your IP address so there’s already that. Didn’t check the other one.

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            Except with a VPN you’re not identified by the servers you connect to, so they can safely not log any traffic and as such, law enforcement can’t ask to hand out data about a specific account because they don’t know which account did it. Same goes for logging the IP of the account, because again, they don’t know which account it is, and can’t force a service to log all users for the sake of finding one.

            VPN and Tor and I guess i2p can disguise your IP address indeed.

            It’s not true for mail services however, as the email address is your login and/or is linked to a specific account, forever and exclusively.

            I’m not following what you mean by this ?

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              What I’m saying is that VPNs can legally not give out your info, while mail services can’t, because of the technical reasons I mentioned, and as such, it doesn’t make Proton any more faulty for handing out info that it would make Riseup or Disroot to do the same. At the end, they’re all legally required to comply and will do if asked to.