• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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      That’s reductive and defeatist as fuck. Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating. I don’t suddenly like Trump because I hate Biden and vice versa. I hate them both, just like I hate the fact that democracy in the US died years ago. Having to vote for 2 shades of fascism is not an actual valid choice and giving it merit is the equivalent of validating it as acceptable.

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        Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating.

        Ah yes, the great and amazing third parties of the US. In this corner we’ve got the Libertarians, aka the “republicans that like weed and dislike age of consent laws” party, and in the other corner we have the Green Party, aka the “pops up every election year to complain how both sides are bad, before promptly returning to the ether upon the elections conclusion” party.

        Such good options, I truly don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want to vote for one of those two. /s

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          I don’t care about who thinks what about them. It’s the fact that they are pushed out. It’s a system that has been hijacked to benefit the wealthy and no one else. If dumb people want to interpret that as “oh you want Trump to win,” I’ve got nothing for them. I’d put that fuck in the guillotine just as fast as I’d put Biden, Obama, Bush, and Hillary.

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        When is the last time a third party got anywhere close to victory in a presidential election? I don’t think they’ve broken 7% of votes in decades and decades. There is zero indication that would change so what are you talking about?

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          You ever stop and ask yourself why no other party or candidate stands a chance? It could perhaps be the decades of mental conditioning that has locked the working class into an infinite loop of “vote blue no matter who” and “let’s go Brandon” dipshittery, coupled with every propped up candidate being a corporate warmongering shill. It’s pay to play or piss off. It’s just wild to me that some people refuse to see it from their comfortable neolib and conservative bubbles.

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            I don’t have to wonder about the concept of inertia. We can see it everywhere. I also don’t wonder about whether or not I can defy it just by thinking happy thoughts and pissing my vote into the wind

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              I don’t care how people vote. It’s their choice and I’m not going to tell them otherwise. But I’m also going to be realistic about who these people truly are, and acknowledge the facts. The US isn’t a democracy.

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                I’m glad that because it’s all a sham anyhow, watching your compatriots set the world on fire is no sweat off your back. 👎

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                  You assumed things based on what I said and none of them were true. So it’s abundantly clear you don’t want to have a conversation because it’s easier to make disingenuous claims. I’m pro-working class first and foremost. Always have been because I was raised that way.

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                    Yeah if you’re going to encourage people to vote in fascism you got no leg to stand on there.

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                yes this is the lie so many of us hate and the same lie that will elect trump who is fucking infinitely worse. I won’t argue back with any more smooth brains who say shit like this, I called you out on your lies and that’s enough.

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                  a modern nation state with a mechanized military is absolutely indistinguishable from fascism.

                  they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state to field that military, so they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state. everything else, the trappings of law and order, the facade of democratic control, the illusion of economic freedom, they will only exist so far as they are necessary to maintain state power.

                  under pax americana, our mutual defense treaties have relieved many states of the necessity of fielding their own military to the extent necessary to defend their state, but the mutual defense treaties make them absolutely complicit in the fascism of the states capable of defending them. in particular, the usa, but any other military power as well.

                  opposing the creep of outspoken politically fascist movements to seize the reigns of these technocratically fascist states is secondary, in my consideration, to the dismantling of the technocratic fascist states.

                  it seems that you are content to tolerate the fascist state so long as someone you can’t identify as politically fascist controls it. i am not.

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                    a modern nation state with a mechanized military

                    This describes nearly every country that has ever existed, so how does the term have any meaning if you’re right about this definition of fascism?

                    it seems that you are content to tolerate the fascist state so long as someone you can’t identify as politically fascist controls it. i am not.

                    … this is a conversation about policy difference. Somehow by saying “actually there’s a large difference” when there obviously is, means I have no issue with fascism? Nevermind that that would be an entirely separate topic that we only touched on because you brought it up apropos of nothing. I mean, that’s just brain dead. Your official position:

                    “closing all the borders and eliminating all healthcare programs is literally the exact same as mostly maintaining the status quo then slowly adding improvements here and there. just like how boiling water is identical to lukewarm water.”

                    I often wonder like what deluded thought process gets you from just going around saying smoothbrain bullshit like this and the perfect communist utopia you imagine? Are you actively eating lead every day or something? I don’t even know how I’d turn my brain off like that if I wanted to.