• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    “Multipolarism” is just multiple countries doing imperialism, not the antidote for imperialism.

    One time, I could in no way convince a tankie, that Chinese loans weren’t just “money given as present”, and called any news about them being paid back as “fake news”, because in their mind, China is a generous country that helps other out of their good heart, with no strings attached.

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      5 months ago

      How they can’t see the belt and road initiative as an attempt at establishing hegemony blows my mind. They really think China is doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

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        5 months ago

        It’s Empowering the Global South to create a United Front against Western Neoliberal Imperialism™

        I don’t know if it’s fortunate or unfortunate that China is in the process of learning the old lesson of “If you owe the bank a million dollars, you have a problem; if you owe the bank a billion dollars, the bank has a problem”.

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      5 months ago

      Nobody thinks that China is giving loans as a present. Of course there’s self interest on their part and establishing an alternative to the American-lead international financial order benefits them.

      …but it also benefits pretty much every single other nation that joins it. Imagine if there were a bunch of countries that could trade with Cuba without consequences because they don’t rely on US dollars. Imagine if countries in Africa could nationalize their resources and redistribute their wealth without fear of international economic reprisal. Imagine if the hegemon of this new financial bloc regularly forgave loans when the investments didn’t turn out as hoped, instead of imposing neoliberal austerity laws they wrote themselves on the countries that took them.

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        5 months ago

        I’m in one of those countries receiving the Belt and Road initiative (Hungary), and we still have the austerity measures, but hey, there’s a percentage-based tax break system that gives more to people the richer they’re (they had to put a limit on the maximum amount of money after too many backlash), and no one in the Chinese government are complaining (not requesting to change it, complaining) about most of the media is in the hands of party henchmen.

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          5 months ago

          AFAIK, austerity in Hungary is the current program of the conservative ruling party, not an imposition by a foreign institution like the EU or the IMF. The BRI investments in Hungary are also relatively recent so it’s too early to say if they’ve succeeded or failed, what I was referencing was the wave of loan forgiveness China has offered to poorer countries, mostly in response to the economic fallout from COVID.