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    You don’t need proof where science doesn’t have any either. The beginning of creation remains a mystery. There is currently no explanation for the motion of the masses that collided, or the source of the matter. If science can hypothesize the events leading to the Big Bang, so can religion.

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      Science tests hypothesizes and never claims they’re true until there’s mountains of evidence to indicate so.

      Religion on the other hand takes a book written by bronze age goat herders and claims it to be true, damn the evidence stacked against it and contradictions within.

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        You’re making large assumptions. There are more religions than you know. The way one practices also may not be familiar to you. You’re demonstrating intolerance through ignorance. Maybe you should be asking questions in this post about religion, or abstain if you’re not interested in understanding it.

        Are you familiar with Baruch Spinoza? His take is fascinating. His higher power did not concern itself with the fates of mankind, but is responsible for the lawful harmony of existence. It also does not discount or displace science in any way.

        https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/culture/37996/spinozas-god-einstein-believed-in-it-but-what-was-it

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          All religion is untested made up nonsense, no exceptions.

          If you make it up without evidence, it can be thrown out without evidence. Athiests make no claims, there’s nothing to throw out.

          The real answer to these questions is “we have no idea”, everything else falls under russel’s teapot.

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            Are you this arrogant in condemning everything you don’t understand?

            If you truly believe “you have no idea,” then how can you be sure every religion is wrong without understanding them?

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              I do understand that it is something people made up without any evidence.

              I am this arrogant about anything without evidence, if you present evidence, then I have a reason to believe.

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                Do you not believe in untested hypotheses or theorems? They are also made up without evidence.

                The Big Bang itself has evidence, like the rapid expansion of the universe from the universal center in a state of decay toward entropy. According to the laws of physics, the masses that collided could not have spontaneously begun moving towards each other without force. Suggesting they began to move on their own without propulsion is just as made up as a creator pushing them.

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                  I do not, why would I?

                  nobody asserts that, they assert that we don’t know, which is accurate it is religion that asserts it happened through magic

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          Are you familiar with Baruch Spinoza? His take is fascinating. His higher power did not concern itself with the fates of mankind, but is responsible for the lawful harmony of existence. It also does not discount or displace science in any way.

          That’s basic deism but I would disagree and say it does conflict with science. Science is evidence-based, if you claim something exists you must present evidence to support it. I can’t just claim there’s a 5-ton diamond in my backyard and say “trust me bro”. Nobody would believe me, so why should anyone believe in any god without evidence?

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      That just leaves you with the conclusion that “there is no current explanation” not that you can make whatever you want up.

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        Making up whatever you want is exactly how science works. It’s called a hypothesis. In science, that hypothesis is tested repeatedly. This is why science is best suited for repeatable phenomena.

        In this case, neither science nor religion can test said hypothesis. Why is science correct but religion is not in this situation?

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            Who says god’s existence is proven? It’s called a belief for a reason. It’s no different than a hypothesis.

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              be·lief

              noun

              an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

              “his belief in the value of hard work”

              trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

              “I’ve still got belief in myself”

              Which is completely different from a hypothesis, which is that something might be true and we should test it