President Joe Biden could make a decision within days whether to remain a candidate for reelection, said Hawaii’s governor who participated in a recent meeting with Biden and other Democratic governors and whose family has known the president for years.
And if Biden decides not to run, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told The Associated Press on Saturday that he believes the president will designate Vice President Kamala Harris to replace him on the ticket.
Green, who was a physician on Hawaii’s Big Island before he was elected governor, said everyone has parents or grandparents who have moments that aren’t that great or pauses in their ability to express themselves clearly. But, he added, they aren’t discarded because of their experience, wisdom and their role in the family.
Green was quick to point out that Trump is only three years younger than Biden and both will have bad days going forward. But he argued that temperament is more important than age.
“For God’s sake, these two guys have to hold the nuclear codes,” Green said. “I don’t want someone who tweets in the middle of the night and rages at other countries. That is not good. That’s not the problem we have with President Biden.”
And if Biden decides not to run, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told The Associated Press on Saturday that he believes the president will designate Vice President Kamala Harris to replace him on the ticket.
If that happens, prepare to see the narrative of certain people switch from “no one should vote for Genocide Joe” to “no one should vote for pro-cop Harris.” Anything but tell people to stop the dictator from gaining power.
Edit: Wow, that didn’t take long.
This effectively changes nothing for me, I’m no fan of Harris or Biden, but they ain’t fascists
Exactly, but that doesn’t seem to be an argument they care about.
You are not the problem. Some people can’t decide between Joe, and the party that wants to end democracy in this country.
Not just in this country.
Some people are upset that in the face of fascism, this is the best the American ‘left’ can do. They claim the entire country is on the line, but I haven’t seen them act like it. I’ve seen them say we need to vote for Biden, because abortion!! Roe V Wade was undone under his leadership and he has done nothing about it. He adopted extremist conservative border policy. The Supreme Court decision everybody is clamoring about happened while he was in the big chair. So why does he deserve my vote? Why would voting for him change anything when some of the most consequential and damaging legislation of the 2000s has happened under him?
If January 6 wasn’t enough to convince you the future of this country is on the line, and if Project 2025 isn’t enough, I just don’t know what to tell you.
The Democrats stink on ice, sure. They’re a bunch of ineffectual morons, and they only show it more and more every time they push the responsibility to fight this threat onto the voters. But that doesn’t change the fact that the threat is real, and even if the Democrats won’t act like it is, we must. If we want there to be a 2028 election, we must make sure the Republicans lose the 2024 one.
The Republicans really got just what they wanted out of people like you with what they did in Congress with the border. There is a legit crisis down there now. And there was an agreed-to, bipartisan border bill ready to go, and at the last moment Trump said to tank it because it will reflect well on the Democrats. So they tanked it, leaving Biden’s executive branch with very limited options to do anything. So he is doing one of the crappy few things he can do, and people like you just pin it to Biden, which is just what Trump and the GOP hoped for.
All I ask of people is vote for anything but trump. A sack of potato chips is better.
Not good enough. You have to vote for the person most likely to beat him. It’s a numbers game.
Well so far that isn’t Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. Who do you suggest?
I’m not the one saying not to vote for them. I will vote for whoever the nominee is.
Wrong. A vote for Stein, or RFK, or West is still effectively a vote for Trump.
If you live in a swing state. If your state is solidly red or blue, due to the electoral college, you vote effectively doesn’t matter.
I kind of don’t have an issue with third party voters when it comes to places where a handful of third party votes won’t change the EC outcome.
With a wannabe fascist dictator who wants to create a Christian nationalist country on the one hand, and abortion rights on the ballot, in one way or another, in many states on the other, it’s possible for a lot of states to become swing states this time around. A lot of people who might not otherwise vote may show up to vote for pro-choice candidates and ballot measures. That could be enough to turn some red states purple. Please don’t waste your vote on a third party Presidential candidate even if you think your vote doesn’t matter.
If you want to support third parties, do it at the state and local levels. You might find that hard to do though, since most of them, including West’s Justice for All party and RFK’s we the people party don’t have any other candidates running for any other offices at any other level.
These people are only running to siphon votes from other candidates and sway the election. West even has Republican operatives working for his party in North Carolina and Arizona to help him get on the ballots. We only know that because those states require signature gathers be registered with the states. You can bet your bottom dollar that they are helping him, RFK, and Stein in other states too.
Blue MAGA strikes again.
none of those candidates will get enough popular votes to win a state’s electoral votes and 2 out of 3 aren’t on enough ballots to total 270 votes. the only message a person who is on the left side of politics teaches the democratic party is that your vote isn’t worth pursuing since you aren’t going to vote for a democrat anyway. instead they will pursue the votes they have the possibility to get. often those people are much more centrist or right wing. you’re taking yourself out of any potential influential position of influence.
this is a binary choice. the winner will either be trump or biden. any vote not for biden is an indirect vote for trump because it’s not going towards the only other viable candidate. this is how our system works and it’s far too late to change it for this year.
We don’t have to prepare for it, it’s already happening, at least on Lemmy.
have y’all ever been racially profiled while driving, got pulled over, and had your stuff thrown in the mud?
since it was a terry stop the judge considered 100% on board even with video proof
prosecutor as president is the last thing this country needs
Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
With a four month campaign runway, no less. I’ve been asking that since the debate. Calling for him to step aside without a better candidate is just reactionary sensationalism. Show me credible and sizable polls that take Trump by a landslide and I’ll be calling for him to step aside too. Until then, this intermittently confused old man did a lot better with his four years than Trump.
Most people just don’t know that much about Kamala, she’s fairly new to politics and hasn’t been in the limelight very often.
Usually just a small handful of speeches and interviews, maybe. She’s largely an unknown though. A Presidential race would change that quickly, though its hard to predict exactly how.
Notably, the right has used her largely unknown status to smear her for years now, not too different from how they got an early start smearing Hilary.
That’s my point. Four months is not enough time to get through all of the mud-slinging and come out with a clear impression of a candidate. The candidate and their policies would have to already be well known by US citizens to ensure a win in that time. She’d have a much better chance campaigning in 2028 with a longer runway.
Just FYI, ye crazy Americans, in other parts of the world four months is longer than the entire campaign season.
Four months is more than enough time to familiarize yourself to the electorate.
I’m not sure I agree, I think 4 months is enough time. It would hinge on her though, and how effectively she can be genuine and communicate.
Agree, and the media jumped on this bandwagon, because he is promising to tax the rich.
This was something that they did not expect of centrist Joe to do.
He’s taxing corporations and reducing wealth for their shareholders too.
Increasing the corporate minimum tax rate to 21% to align with the global minimum tax rate. Implementing a Billionaire Minimum Tax of 25% on the wealthiest taxpayers to ensure the top 0.01 percent pay taxes on their income as they go, just like everyone who earns a paycheck.
Raising the tax rate on corporate stock buybacks from 1% to 4% to reduce the differential tax treatment between buybacks and dividends and encourage businesses to reinvest profits in their workers and in the company’s growth.
Denying corporate tax deductions for employee compensation in excess of $1 million paid to any employee by both publicly and privately owned C corporations.
So your plan is to ignore all the valid criticism until it’s too late to do anything about it and then when Biden loses you’ll blame the people who’d been warning you about it for years?
the republican party has ignored valid criticism of trump for 8 years. unlike biden, trump’s valid criticism is far more serious than biden looking and sounding old for one night.
Who’s ignoring criticism? I’m saying calling for him to step aside without a replacement who would do better is not constructive. They should be poll testing candidates and proposing a candidate that could do better. Criticism without suggestions for improvement is just whining.
Whitmer, Whitehouse, Buttigieg - those are all better options than Harris. Sanders is unlikely to be accepted but would definitely do it if asked.
What makes you think any of them want to run for president when they didn’t even take part in the primaries?
Also, why do you assume Sanders would do it when asked? He’s 82. He’s a lot sharper than Biden, but he’s still 82. His energy is going to be limited. I would be very surprised if he even sought re-election to the Senate at this point. He probably wants to spend his last years with his grandkids in Vermont (or wherever they live), not arguing with people in D.C. And I’d say he deserves that happy end to his life rather than spend what may be his last four years dealing with a bunch of hostile bullshit.
I assume Sanders would because he’s willing to do another term as a Senator and he’s, philosophically, a public servant.
There is absolutely no reason to assume an 82-year-old man would be willing to be president. It is a lot more work than Senator. And I personally think he deserves to say no if he doesn’t want to. It sort of sounds like you don’t.
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What makes you think she has a chance at beating him?
If she doesn’t, tell me who does that is also willing to run.
great question that do not have an answer to
but there are people in worst shoes than mine and a lot of them
not sure they are going to jump as easily on the Prosecutor Harris train given her political background
A Black woman with a prosecutorial history is nowhere near as dangerous as the orange asshole is.
I think you overestimate how damaging that would be for her chances.
I would say that there are much safer choices though.
If you don’t have an answer to stopping Trump and other people do but you’re telling them not to do it, thanks for proving my point.
I think beyond a few very liberals (like myself), a law and order message will do well with voters. Even Oregon recently voted for stricter drug laws. What makes you think such a message won’t do well nationally?
trump runs on a law and order message.
frankly law and order is a bad authoritarian sounding phrase. law and justice is much more platable and less harsh.
exactly what afraid of
Definitely not Kamala fucking Harris, the most hated VP in decades. That would be guaranteeing a loss.
Definitely not Kamala fucking Harris, the most hated VP in decades.
Say what, now? All this tells me is you’re too young to remember Dick Cheney, or the other guy who failed the spelling bee. (In fairness, though, Quayle wasn’t so much hated as he was ignored, like your little brother.)
Really? The most hated in decades? The only good thing I can say about Pence is that he finally decided to speak against Trump after the insurrection.
He’s such a piece of Christian Nationalist trash he attracts flies.
Fine. Then who? Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
This is the question that everyone saying Biden should drop out can’t seem to answer.
I don’t like our choices here either, but I’m not so foolish as to think having the party choose another candidate for us is gonna save us.
This is the party that consistently won’t listen to its own voter base and keeps putting up unpalatable centrists like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris.
People think the party that keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory will somehow make a good choice this late in the game? As if.
Also, who is really going to be happy with the party choosing for us anyway? The best they could give would to be allow delegates to choose a new candidate at the convention but delegates are not regular voters, they are party apparatchiks. They will only choose another bland centrist corporate-friendly Democrat, like always. It’s a big club and we ain’t in it etc. There is no progressive lightning rod that will excite ALL Democrat voters waiting in the wings. There just isn’t and we need to stop pretending there is.
Biden is who we have, and we can accept it, even if we don’t like it or we can accept that this is our last real “free” election ever.
He was given answers and decided to move the goal posts onto something else. If Trump gets elected again, the blame is going to fall on party leadership and the sycophants who blindly support them.
Oh come on. I’m not a huge fan of Harris either, but Dick Cheney is right there.
Worse than a literal fascist?
…. it’s not an excuse to let a facist win?
yeah we gotta go talk show host or game show host, much smarter, very big brain.
I’d prefer that if we’re swapping candidates we don’t swap to yet another deeply damaged one who might also lose the election.
No one’s saying this isn’t a problem. You just have to vote blue, because the alternative is you get thrown in the mud, and then shot.
we have to vote blue because the red team will force fascism down our throats?
fascism against fascism
Yup. Not only that, but the attacks from the GOP and media won’t stop. They will simply change from “Biden is too old” to racist garbage like “Harris might be our first DEI president” (That’s an actual headline from the NY Post, which I refuse to link to).
No matter what happens, Democrats will need thick skin.
I’m not worried about Republicans. I’m worried about the people below who have already decided “don’t vote for Harris” before she’s even nominated. No candidate will be good enough for them because no candidate could ever pass the purity test. It could be a Bernie Sanders/AOC ticket and they’d find a reason to say you shouldn’t vote for them.
She’s also not a white male, so I fully expect them to go all out saying that execrable shit out loud.
They were so mad about a black man as president that a black woman will just bring out the misogynistic element along with the racism. It’s nothing new. Ask your local republican how they feel about Whoopi Goldberg for practice.
I am not pro-Biden, but I’d vote for Harris. I think she’s a stronger candidate.
She’s a marginally better candidate if he endorses her enthusiastically. She’s deeply flawed and unpopular but if Biden gives her credit for everything he accomplished she’d be trading “absolutely ancient” for “former uncharismatic prosecutor”.
There are much better choices.
I agree that there are much better choices. Alas, Democrats are right of center and punch left.
Yeah, and they’ve not won since Carter.
there are much better choices.
the problem is that none of them decided to primary the incumbent successful democratic party president.
so it’s biden at the top of the ticket. if you didn’t want biden to be the 2024 candidate, you should have worked harder to get another democrat nominated in 2020.
If Joe Biden drops out the orange felon will definitely win, says the guy who has an impeccable track record using an amazing methodology that he developed from earth quake prediction.
Pushing Kamala is one way I see to guarantee a loss. People don’t like Joe, but people fucking HATE Kamala. We would be so fucked if she was the ticket
The other way would be to bring back Clinton.
Well personally, I don’t want an openly fascist raving lunatic to be US president, but that’s just me, of course.
That sounds more like Trump than Biden. The trouble is Trump is probably what we’ll get if Biden doesn’t suck it up and drop out of the race.
Of course I meant Trump. How can that not be blindingly obvious?
It’s impossible to tell without knowing whether you’re taking to a Trump cultist.
Poe’s Law
It was
It’s just sort of a non sequitur if it’s about Trump - this is an article about picking a candidate to maximize Dem chances of beating Trump, neither side of the argument on who that should be wants Trump.
I don’t think we’ll fare any better if Harris gets the nomination either. I don’t understand why the party keeps backing the most unlikable candidates possible over and over and over.
Because they’ll rather turn over their country to the fascists than nominate someone who might upset their sponsors.
I have wondered how it would be possible to change the ticket into anyone else but Harris at this late stage. There is no time to do a new set of primaries. Harris is at least the VP on the ticket and the person whose job it would be to step in for Biden anyway.
How could he just designate some random person and everyone who voted Biden just has to go with it?
If Biden drops out, it’s an open convention. The party can put Harris or anyone else forward as their preferred candidate, but the delegates aren’t pledged to them the way they currently are to Biden. Anything could happen at that point, really.
I understand how it’s procedurally possible to do. But why would everyone accept having the delegates at the convention just vote for some random person that the people didn’t get to vote on themselves? People around here talk about how the 2016 primary was so undemocratic because they had stuff like superdelegates, but at the end of the day the process was actually pretty democratic, unlike choosing someone totally unrelated after the primaries.
To me, Harris is the only one you could just put in place and say this is still the ticket you voted for. Anyone else, I don’t know how you pull it off.
The DNC nomination process is fairly democratic, but not entirely. Ultimately, the party delegates who are sent to the convention decide who the nominee is. By the time the convention happens this is usually a formality, but there have been open or brokered conventions before. You can look up and read very quickly how the process works, it’s not that complicated.
The reason people were mad about 2016 is that the DNC has rules that allow party leaders to put a thumb on the scale (sometimes a heavy thumb or multiple digits) if they don’t approve of how things are going. This is why Bernie wasn’t butthurt about losing whereas his following was; he knew the rules going into it, that not only would he have to overcome the superdelegates, but also anything else the party luminaries had in their back pocket along the way.
All that being said, the delegates who go to the convention are determined by the state primaries and are all for Biden this election. This means that if Biden does drop out, they are likely going to tow whatever line the higher-ups in the party want, which will be Harris. In the unlikely event that they don’t, there could be more of a contest, but they still have to reckon with the superdelegates.
I’m not saying people would accept it. But honestly, I’m not entirely convinced people will accept anything at this point.
he’s already decided.
he decided a week ago.
you backhandedly calling for him to drop out only fuels the bullshit media narrative that’s not focused on trump’s myriad of seriously disqualifying incidents OR project 2025.
I’d rather have the media talk about Biden than give Trump EVEN MORE attention. The psychology of advertising has shown that the cliche “All publicity is good publicity” is literally true on a population scale of at least a few thousand. Discussing Biden on the news cycle, positively or negatively, makes him more likely to win more votes. That’s why he will not and should not drop out now.
To be clear: I wish he had stepped aside for a different democratic candidate in 2020. But since then, I don’t believe there was ever a good time to shift attention to a replacement who would be popular enough to beat Trump.
Maybe I’m extremely cynical, but unless it was like Bernie Sanders (which we all know they wouldn’t allow to replace Biden) I don’t think it will matter much if he leaves or stays.
If he leaves, Trump will win, enact project 2025, jail political opponents, then murder them, then other massacres and mass imprisonment will occur amongst “unamericans.”
If he stays, Trump is less likely to win, but the Nazis didn’t take over Germany peacefully. For all the lethal defense systems the White House has, it doesn’t matter against sheer numbers of stupid people. The only way this works is if a significant majority of Americans say no to trump, and and oppose a coup. This won’t happen.
I think if you live in a state that will be directly impacted by project 2025 (most states, some northern ones have no shale oil and have no immediate plans) shits gonna get real shitty real quickly.
I also think this will become an era of true fuck around and find out. The blue states can refuse to fund the U.S. government. Good luck getting the military to do anything if they don’t get paid.
If Trump wins it will be a political coup followed by a military junta within a few years once it becomes clear how badly Trumps plans really fuck the overall economy.
On the bright side - cheaper real estate?
(Current living standard not guaranteed)
I mean, I doubt it. Trump is a real estate guy. I am sure he is gonna “official act” his way to using eminent domain or some other such nonsense to transfer numerous large corporations holdings to “the government” (a subsidiary of Trump, Inc.).
He will “nationalize” tons of industries just so he can reap the rewards… There won’t be rewards to reap because this will destroy the economy and trust in the economy being fair at all. (Already a lot of distrust in markets being fair, this will weaponize that valid distrust)
I don’t understand this. Biden already said he didn’t plan to drop out.
That’s exactly what I would expect him to say, until he drops out, at which point I would expect him to say that it was his plan all along.
He’s stated that publically, yes. But who knows what’s being said behind closed doors.
VERMIN SUPREME 2024
He could also decide to drop out after the convention, which would bypass a lot of concerns about power struggles and in-fighting.
Yea, that’d be fucking atrocious.
https://piped.video/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8
(or for those who prefer … https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8 )
the trump legal team has a plan for that. they are going to sue (the swing) states that do not list biden as the democratic nominee. granted they probably won’t win, but the real point of the suits is to tie all of this up in court past the point where states certify elections throwing the election to the house where the president is voted on by state delegation, not house members and there are more majority republican state delegations than there would be republicans in the house (i’m predicting that the dems win back the house if only by states having redrawn maps. remember: the house that would convene to actually count the ec votes is sworn in on january 2, meaning this house wouldn’t vote on it) and trump gets elected again.
as bad as another four years of Biden or Trump would be could you imagine four years of Harris
extra police funding
more restrictive laws
backtracking on current progress such as cannabis
more people locked up
only difference is she would be younger and more in her mind to do so
Under Trump:
Never being able to vote again.
Martial law instituted across the country denying people of their First Amendment rights.
The abandonment of our allies.
Loss of the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency
Political assassinations across the board to insure those of the fascist party remain in power.
Loss of civil rights for those not white and rich
End of various government services designed to keep us safe from contaminated food, water, and air
End of various government services for Healthcare, social safety nets, veterans services.
Extra police funding and broad immunity for police violence
Far more restrictive laws
Backtracking of current progress such as cannabis, marriage equality, interracial marriage
Way way more people locked up because republican programs are hated across the board
Massive tax cuts for billionaires and the middle class finally being broken so we slide into a pseudo feudal system
Unions being outlawed because fascists love that shit.
Anyone of a skin color not the shade of pale parchment being rounded up, thrown in camps, or deported.
End of birthright citizens so you as well get to enjoy the concentration camps until they kill you or deport you (eventually they get to outright killing because they are Nazis. It’s what they do)
Did I mention not being able to vote, protest, or voice your opinions without being shot, poisoned, or assassinated?
Yes, but what about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good?!
What about not compromising so fucking early. There are other establishment candidates that’d be much stronger.
Which ones and do they want to run?
Buttigieg and Whitmer seem to have wide party support.
Are they willing to run? Because otherwise it doesn’t matter. And I have seen no indication that they are.
Also, Buttigieg used to work for McKinsey and they are fucking evil. I’d rather have either Harris or Biden than that.
As a historic non-D voter who is switching this election, I would enthusiastically take Joe over Buttigieg, considering I’m from a neighboring town to his former mayorship. Pete was very unpopular in South Bend and he’s been very unpopular as Secretary of Transportation. Dude sucks and I actually think senile Biden is a better option.
Trump is a piece of human waste. That he is the top candidate of the GOP says a lot about the abysmal condition America is in.
you know that for a fact, or are you just projecting?
prosecutors are charged with proving the city or state or federal government’s case against someone who has been charged with breaking the law. if congress doesn’t provide extra police funding, doesn’t pass more restrictive laws, doesn’t backtrack on current policy, and doesn’t lock more people up for non violent crimes guess what? she’s not going to do that either. i don’t see her going the unitary executive that a republican congress would allow a republican president to be because it sounds like she actually respects the rule of law and separation of powers.
Did she ever say that? Anyhow, MAGAts would be so delightfully infuriated.
