I may be blackpilled but there isn’t. Russians are brainwashed by the state in my eyes. If you are a Russian that doesn’t believe the propaganda, you are not Russian, at least what it means now.
There’s a big difference between hating what Russia, and by the extension, the Russian people, are doing, and hating every single Russian individually. It’s like hating the patriarchy, but not hating every single individual man.
Yes, collectively it’s their fault, but you can’t hold Yevgeni the farmer from Sertov, whose son got drafted against his will, personally responsible for Russian genocide in Ukraine.
You can definitely blame Baris from Moscow, who drives around with a “3 weeks to Berlin” bumper sticker and who has a bronze bust of Putin in his bedroom.
You are right, but they use this same argument to muddy the water time snd time again. That is why I don’t give it to them, it might make me look bad, but I can’t pretend. I don’t view a Russian that has progressive views as “Russian”.
Russia is the only existential threat my country has. When you say you are “Russian”, I can’t seperate it if you mean nationality or ethnic background. If you lived in America, would you say you are “German” or “American”? Why not say “Ethnic german” or “German origin”. There are very few cases where someone has said they are “From russia” living here that didn’t believe kremlin. If the opposite is true, the seperation is instantly transmitted after, that they don’t trust Kremlin. Maybe I’m just retarded and can’t see the nuance here.
Russian is a music, a food, a sense of style, a story. Russian is culture not the current tyrany.
Why let the fascists steal that from the people? I understand your sentiment but I’ll be honest it enrages me.
It’s like a person saying that any black that doesn’t join a gang isn’t really black. They can’t see a non-violent black as a member of that race. You ignore the problem in favor of factionalism. Black people are not inherently violent, it’s an economic and political situation. Apply the same logic to Russians. See the obvious reasons for the current situations. It’s not the people, it’s their tyrant. A tyrant they cannot choose.
Black does not mean the worst of their people, Russian does not mean the worst of theirs. It’s a signifier of culture, and ethnic origin. That is all
I have no problem with ethnic Russians. This is often tied to their nationality though, which muddies the water. The history and the fact they are the aggressors make it very difficult for me to see things otherwise. I know the individual doesn’t have the power to change things and I have no solution. You can be enraged by me for treating them “Guilty until proven innocent”, but the circumstances we are in is not good.
Make it the other way around and see the progressives as Russians and the others as not Russians. The progressives will thank you and the others will be annoyed. Win win
Many downdoots so extra clarification; I am first in line to die if Russians attack. I have no sympathy for anyone that directly or indirectly supports the constant harassment on my country’s borders, jamming and going into our airspace, overwhelming our customs and posting propaganda in our forums. That is not including the terrorism in Ukraine. That original comment reads to me “It’s okay to be a gay nazi”. That is all.
The problem is, nazi is a political ideology, but Russian is a nationality and ethnicity. I agree with your point about gay nazis, but would you say the same thing about gay germans?
I don’t know about US affairs enough to say. If they did do terrorism, they should take accountability, if you did have the chance to make even the slightest difference. If you did your best to prevent it, you can pat yourself in the back. It doesn’t change the perception for those who are on the receiving end. I would have the same opinion if the US harassed, forced politics or use their culture as a trojan horse to win minds, in the end just oppressing. If that is the case, I have no problem if you lump them all together. You paid taxes, you funded the operation type of deal. I understand my views seem bigoted, but when you have this type of neighbor, it’s really hard to see otherwise. Especially when the country hasn’t changed the slightest, the culture in my eyes is tainted by propaganda and I am fed up with everything Russia. This is probably the last I’ll post about this, since nothing has really changed my mind. I’m just either missing something or just blinded. I will elaborate once more though; I have nothing against ethnic russians, but I messed up on that front. I don’t care what ethnicity you are, just the nationality. Maybe there is some sense in this, but that is what I think.
I may be blackpilled but there isn’t. Russians are brainwashed by the state in my eyes. If you are a Russian that doesn’t believe the propaganda, you are not Russian, at least what it means now.
There’s a big difference between hating what Russia, and by the extension, the Russian people, are doing, and hating every single Russian individually. It’s like hating the patriarchy, but not hating every single individual man.
Yes, collectively it’s their fault, but you can’t hold Yevgeni the farmer from Sertov, whose son got drafted against his will, personally responsible for Russian genocide in Ukraine.
You can definitely blame Baris from Moscow, who drives around with a “3 weeks to Berlin” bumper sticker and who has a bronze bust of Putin in his bedroom.
You are right, but they use this same argument to muddy the water time snd time again. That is why I don’t give it to them, it might make me look bad, but I can’t pretend. I don’t view a Russian that has progressive views as “Russian”.
“I only accept someone’s nationality if they fit the stereotype”
ok lmao
That sounds like a no true Scotsman argument.
Russia is the only existential threat my country has. When you say you are “Russian”, I can’t seperate it if you mean nationality or ethnic background. If you lived in America, would you say you are “German” or “American”? Why not say “Ethnic german” or “German origin”. There are very few cases where someone has said they are “From russia” living here that didn’t believe kremlin. If the opposite is true, the seperation is instantly transmitted after, that they don’t trust Kremlin. Maybe I’m just retarded and can’t see the nuance here.
If you’re at war I reckon nuance must not the highest priority. I very much doubt you are retarded.
Stay safe.
Russian is a music, a food, a sense of style, a story. Russian is culture not the current tyrany.
Why let the fascists steal that from the people? I understand your sentiment but I’ll be honest it enrages me.
It’s like a person saying that any black that doesn’t join a gang isn’t really black. They can’t see a non-violent black as a member of that race. You ignore the problem in favor of factionalism. Black people are not inherently violent, it’s an economic and political situation. Apply the same logic to Russians. See the obvious reasons for the current situations. It’s not the people, it’s their tyrant. A tyrant they cannot choose.
Black does not mean the worst of their people, Russian does not mean the worst of theirs. It’s a signifier of culture, and ethnic origin. That is all
I have no problem with ethnic Russians. This is often tied to their nationality though, which muddies the water. The history and the fact they are the aggressors make it very difficult for me to see things otherwise. I know the individual doesn’t have the power to change things and I have no solution. You can be enraged by me for treating them “Guilty until proven innocent”, but the circumstances we are in is not good.
Make it the other way around and see the progressives as Russians and the others as not Russians. The progressives will thank you and the others will be annoyed. Win win
I kind of agree, and they might agree themselves too, but I don’t know.
i wonder if US americans get the same reaction out of you
Some dude saluting a flag when the brainwash song is playing is looking and this and thinks: these damn brainwashed russians are so dumb
Did you just call me “one of the good ones”?
Get a grip, man. Stop turning an entire nationality into a monolith.
Many downdoots so extra clarification; I am first in line to die if Russians attack. I have no sympathy for anyone that directly or indirectly supports the constant harassment on my country’s borders, jamming and going into our airspace, overwhelming our customs and posting propaganda in our forums. That is not including the terrorism in Ukraine. That original comment reads to me “It’s okay to be a gay nazi”. That is all.
The problem is, nazi is a political ideology, but Russian is a nationality and ethnicity. I agree with your point about gay nazis, but would you say the same thing about gay germans?
They really are shitting the bed everywhere aren’t they. Ukraine, Africa, GPS jamming in europe, something with Japan etc. etc.
so all US citizens are terrorist war criminals?
I don’t know about US affairs enough to say. If they did do terrorism, they should take accountability, if you did have the chance to make even the slightest difference. If you did your best to prevent it, you can pat yourself in the back. It doesn’t change the perception for those who are on the receiving end. I would have the same opinion if the US harassed, forced politics or use their culture as a trojan horse to win minds, in the end just oppressing. If that is the case, I have no problem if you lump them all together. You paid taxes, you funded the operation type of deal. I understand my views seem bigoted, but when you have this type of neighbor, it’s really hard to see otherwise. Especially when the country hasn’t changed the slightest, the culture in my eyes is tainted by propaganda and I am fed up with everything Russia. This is probably the last I’ll post about this, since nothing has really changed my mind. I’m just either missing something or just blinded. I will elaborate once more though; I have nothing against ethnic russians, but I messed up on that front. I don’t care what ethnicity you are, just the nationality. Maybe there is some sense in this, but that is what I think.