• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    That “V” is for vernacular, it excludes written English by definition.

    Yeah. But most people “write” online like they speak…

    https://commonwealthtimes.org/2021/02/18/aave-is-not-your-internet-slang-it-is-black-culture/

    If people followed rules about language, yeah, vernacular would just be spoken speech. But that’s not how it works. The rules are made to reflect what people are doing. The rules don’t control what people do.

    So yes, while the word vernacular commonly meant only spoken words, there ain’t nothing stopping nobody from typing like they speak.

    And people been doing it for a long time

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      2 months ago

      Yeah. But most people “write” online like they speak…

      That’s a common misconception.

      While your written and spoken varieties do interact a fair bit, no, people don’t “write like they speak”. Not even online.

      And that is not simply an “ackshyually”. A lot of AAVE features simply don’t transpose into writing - like prosody, non-rhoticity, /ɪ/-breaking, /äɪ/-monophtongisation… at most you can consciously approximate them into writing, but they won’t be there.

      If people followed rules about language, yeah, vernacular would just be spoken speech. But that’s not how it works. The rules are made to reflect what people are doing.

      That is not about people following/not following “rules”, it’s about nomenclature - it’s exactly the reason why “AAE” and “AAVE” are necessary as separated terms.

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        2 months ago

        More and more people are using speech to text. And it does show how differently people speak than write (apparently I never say my be in because, for example).

        But it also means that llms aren’t only being fed text, but also speech converted into text.