News @lemmy.world Lee Duna @lemmy.nz 6mo ago

Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’

www.theguardian.com Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’

State’s high court upholds the Hawaiian Spirit Law and quotes The Wire in apparent rebuke to US supreme court: ‘They the old days’

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it's official: according to Hawaii, guns have no chill
- They're tools designed specifically for killing, that's kind of the point
  
  Wrong. They were originally designed to open beer bottles.
  
  Don't kill the chill.
  
  Is all I ever asked.
  
  Hand guns are made for killin'
  
  They ain't no good for nothin' else
  
  And if you like to drink your whiskey
  
  You might even shoot yourself
  
  But what about my GOD GUNS GUTS bumper sticker?
  
  They are also damn helpful for defending life. A Smith and Wesson puts the daintiest of women on an equal field with the burliest of asailants.
Open carry does not pass the "vibe check"
- "Don't kill the chill"
  
  "Aloha Motherfucker"
- I was just in Hawaii a few weeks ago. Both touristy and non-touristy areas. I can concur, would be a weird ass vibe if I saw someone open carry
Hmm here is an idea. What if we made a religion that was against open carry and was technically Christianity? Could we use the veto power religion now has over the Bill of Rights?
- No. Religious arguments against abortion are actually relying on the definition of what constitutes a life, not the pure fact that their religion says it's wrong.
  
  You can get out of military service this way though.
  
  it’s not a medical definition of life so…
  
  It has nothing to do with the possibility of ending a life, otherwise republicans would actually care about what happens in schools (be it shootings or diddling, republicans are OK with them happening in schools).
  
  How is that any different? It's still their religion that says when life begins. Other abrahamic religions do not believe that life starts at conception.
at least theyre tryin
It was always that way, the problem was that they wouldn’t give out permits to anyone.
- That's didn't feel like a problem. No permits, no guns.
  
  That only applies to law abiding citizens. To be fair though this is Hawaii we're talking about so I imagine it's much harder to obtain a gun illegally there.
Well, actually, they cited the state and federal constitution and chose to interpret "well regulated militia" does not accurately describe untrained civilians even though the SCOTUS disagreed. Which is a little more substantial than just Aloha Spirit, imo.
I love the aloha spirit! I hope it spreads like COVID. I mean, in a good way.
is this the only ōlelo hawaiʻi word that anyone remembers
Can’t wait for this to be appealed and struck down.
I like gun
Well thats going to get shut down
- States can ignore SCOTUS rulings now.
  
  I'm surprised to see so many people supporting the actions of Gov. Abbott.
  
  Clearly. I guess this is the country now. Supreme Court rulings are optional unless the President decides to send in troops to enforce it.
- I'm not sure why it would. Almost every state requires some manner of concealed carry permit, and it's not uncommon for there to be some manner of registration for some weapons, as long as the permitting and registration processes are "reasonable" and not designed to infringe on your rights.
  
  The problem is Hawaii is not shall-issue as the vast majority of states are. One can be denied such merely because the official feels like it, despite fully qualifying and jumping every hoop.
  
  Almost every state requires some manner of concealed carry permit
  
  Are you intentionally untruthful or just ignorant?
  
  Is your definition of "almost every" LESS THAN HALF?
  
  These are facts which are easy to look up and here you are spreading misinformation.
  
  Your information is out of date. 27 states now have "constitutional carry", where there is no need for a permit.
gonna have to aloha sprint the next time an open carry w/o permit thinks otherwise
- Are you having a stroke?
- Is your country such a shithole that you need a gun in order to feel safe walking around?
It blows my mind that people who correctly identify the reasons the war on drugs is a failure seem to expect the same policies and logic to work on guns.
- Because gun laws have worked in other places. Canada, Australia, The UK, etc don't have this problem.
  
  One of the best things the govt here in aus did in my lifetime, was tighten gun laws and buy back as many guns as they could. While we're by no means free of gun violence and homicides, we very rarely have incidents like mass/school shootings.
  
  Based on what metric are you making that claim? Canada, for example, certainly still has an issue with firearm related crimes [source]. It is also quite arguable that firearms laws even have an effect on reducing crime in general [source] (I will concede that this source, the fraser institute, isn't the most reliable, but their data does show some interesting things that cannot be ignored). Furthermore, it has been reported that the majority of handgun related crime, in Canada, is done with handguns that were illegally owned -- they were smuggled in from the USA.
  
  One could point to some trends of firearms rates decreasing and attributing them to firearms bans, but the devil is often in the details. For example, this study by Rand stated that firearms related crimes in Australia were already on a downward trend piror to the 1996 buyback, and similar dips in violent crime can be seen many other western countries that didn't adopt such strict gun-control measures -- violent crime, in general, appears that it has been on a downward trend for quite some time.
- Because guns are not the same as drugs. Hence the rules should be different.
- Do you need target practice to shoot heroin? Do you seek self medication by going out and waving a gun around? for some reason one seems much less threatening to the general populous than the other
- We’re all here wondering if this is to convince yourself, or just bad sarcasm.
Now only the police and criminals will have guns, and law abiding citizens will be at the mercy of both.
- They could like, get a permit
  
  True, and I’m cool with that but people take issue with things like that because it puts a financial barrier around the ability to defend themselves. Which doesn’t really hold weight when the gun itself is a financial barrier lol
  
  No, you can't. Hawaii is not a shall-issue state. It's pretty much impossible to get a permit there. Also, criminals won't be getting permits so why should we make law abiding citizens get them.
  
  Make the bad thing illegal. Don't make the tools or the intermediate steps illegal
  
  Just like you wouldn't be driving without a license, but what if criminals have cars?
  
  And then the state has a convenient list of who to go after once the shit hits the fan at the end of the year.
- Have you seen, like, a single statistic about what uncontrolled gun distribution does to a country?
  
  It's absolutely insane to have that many guns around you and somehow perceive that as some moral good instead of the very real danger it is.
  
  The US has not had uncontrolled gun distribution and nobody is asking for that. You can't legally buy a gun without a background check and more, and it has been this way for decades.
- relaxed condescending chuckles from Canada
- That's a concern people had when things transitioned outside the US.
- I can't imagine how sad you life must be to waste your time trolling on lemmy. But I hope the angry replies you get help you with your attention issues.
  
  It's not a waste of time to stand up for the truth and not a waste of time to stand up for the rights and principles you believe in.

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