Like… No shit?
Meat industry makes tons of money.
Activist groups and scientists don’t.
How are the poor supposed to spend more than the mega rich on anything?
Save the animals, eat the rich.
For anyone interested in supporting those going up against the meat lobby, look into the Agriculture Fairness Aliance
They’re the only one of these groups that’s selling something. That probably helps.
There are 5 companies that own meat producing in the US, which is the real problem.
It’s not working and they have cause for concern. Mean consumption is on a downward trend
which is why they are spending so much. it’s a good sign in some ways.
I love eating beef and whatnot, but my body seems to respond better to eating less of that in a given sitting. As someone growing up in the 80s, it seemed like that diet should be a 50/50 mix of beef and spinach…
I think they are going to have a hard time convincing people to feel crummier… it’s much healthier and cheaper to stick to that old “pack of playing card portion”
Mean consumption is on a downward trend
can you show me some evidence of this?
I would love to see this too!!
Sorry, I meant to say it’s slowing down, not trending down as I wrote originally. Most stats show this trend.
can you link any of them?
This article goes into some detail. However it is focused on the US market.
European markets are a little different.
I imagine asian markets dwarf America and europe
Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s true. Here’s some US data I found with one quick search.
To add to that, as underdeveloped areas become more modern and income levels increase, it tends to follow that meat consumption increases along with it.
I would be very happy to be proven wrong on this.
It also explains why Big Dairy was trying to make almond milk be labeled “nut juice” and protect the term “milk”.
I really do think the SAD will be one of the last things to fall in our path toward progression - and that’s assuming we steadily progress. Seeing donnie and his supporters doesn’t exactly lead me to believe that about ~30% of this country wants any progress. The reactionaries have been doing nearly all they can to deride, mock and hold back any and all forms of reduction of our ridiculous levels of consumption of dairy and dead flesh for years and years. I even still run into some of them that think being a (male) vegetarian will turn you into a woman or something, because “protein”, LOL.
There is a lot of propaganda to overcome on the path to getting Americans to eat a properly healthy diet AND to curb the massive global warming from their current diet already - and dumb fad diets like eating all-steak like Peterson or the “paleo” diet are not helping at all.
They don’t need to spend money to convince people that meat is delicious - I wonder what all that money goes to.
The Meat Lobby would a good band name.
When it comes to progress, the SAD will be one of the last things to fall, IMHO.
Even swapping out the same thing by creating clean meat has the anti-woke warriors all aflame and clutching their pearls about how they’ll all turn into “soy boys” if they aren’t killing something in order to “get their protein”…imagine going full plant-based, my word.
As far as I’m concerned they’re preaching to the choir.
Why does meat need lobbying? Most people already consider it essential and like the taste.
It’s like lobbying for sugar…
Wait a minute…
Anyone have a look behind the paywall?
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can you give me a compelling reason?
We need to greatly reduce meat consumption in order to make our planet sustainable for human life. You can start at your own pace, but it’s easier than ever with all of the meat alternatives these days.
I could be convinced meat production needs to be reduced, and consumption would necessarily follow, but haven’t you already tried reducing consumption? it hasn’t worked to reduce, or even stop the growth of production:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
Why aren’t you arguing that people need to eat more meat, since it’s o good, and clearly the way to go?
do you have some evidence for that?
It is the largest positive impact a single person can have on the environment. Kurzgesagt video with the analysis.
As a vegetarian for decades, it’s also cheaper, often healthier, and isn’t difficult at all once you find some new recipes you like. You also don’t need to switch all at once. Ease into it by cooking one vegetarian meal a week and then increase it as you find ones you like.
Infinitely incorrect. Not reproducing is the greatest lack of a negative impact a single person can have on the environment (which is all going vegan can do, not eating meat will never have greater than a zero net impact on emissions).
Not having children can also at best have a net zero impact. If we’re taking opportunity costs for future actions into account, the single highest reduction in emissions for an individual is to die.
In day to day life, veganism has the single highest impact. Still, I’ll never have (non -adopted) children, emissions are a part of it, but mostly because I don’t want to bring someone into the world that’s so thoroughly fucked at the moment
In day to day life, veganism has the single highest impact
I don’t know how this can be quantified, but id love to see how you try.
I’m not watching your YouTube video. if you can’t articulate a compelling reason, just say so.
I find it hard to believe that it is the biggest impact a single person can have. can you enumerate the other strategies it is weighed against?
you also aren’t supporting your claims about affordability, health, nor ease with anything but anecdotal evidence.
I’m not watching your YouTube video. if you can’t articulate a compelling reason, just say so.
What absolutely trash reasoning. “Please type up a compelling reason just for me, I don’t want to watch a well researched and produced discussion on the topic.” It’s bordering on sealioning.
I did watch that video. probably a dozen times. it gets posted often. I shouldn’t be expected to debunk an argument that isn’t made.
I rewatched* it after I made my comment though, and it does not establish what they claimed. it doesn’t cite sources**, and it’s primary thesis is “it’s complicated”
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* i actually listened to it. but just now, after i made this comment, i scrubbed it and i found:
** they do some pretty hard-to-see and also hard-to-research citation in the form of citing academic papers in the bottom right of the screen around the time they are making the claim. and let me tell you, poore-nemecek is the basis of the lca analysis (which i could have guessed), and that lca analysis is flat out bad science. it’s certainly not a compelling reason to be vegan.
If nothing else - your health.
your not my doctor
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