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    And voting third party is saying “I don’t care whether we get a bit of genocide or a lot of genocide,” which itself is legitimizing genocide.

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          While I agree this is definitely a big issue, most of my friends are various leftists. There is a clear line where the white, straight, cis, financially secure, and healthy ones are, or were, definitely of this mind. Though, in my case, few of them are still this way, after years of discourse with everyone else, who don’t have the privilege of not having to vote DNC, lest our lives become quantifiably more dangerous.

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          No people know what it means to pick the less disgusting turd out of the bowl. They’re just tired of eating shit for “strategic reasons”.

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            Am I the only one who just realized that these people who are so tired are usually just kids who’ve voted in at most two elections and didn’t even participate in the primaries or local elections?

            If y’all put half the energy into being consistent voters that ya did in bitching about “having to” once in a blue moon when you’re dragged by the hair to the polls first.

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        Kinda gave the game away by admitting you get called bigot enough to be seen as a generic NPC complaint to you

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        They are doing the same amount of genocide

        Try to make your point without spouting misinformation.

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            In the above comment, we see the following items directly out of the alt-right playbook:

            • Never play defense (doesn’t provide backing for their statement, because they can’t, and instead just tries something else)
            • Control the conversation (spins things and tries to change the subject)
            • Ship of Theseus (changes fundamental things about their argument without admitting it)

            Why is @cowbee@lemmy.ml using the alt-right playbook for their online argumentation? I’ll leave that up to the reader.

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              I played defense, I never changed the subject, and never changed the fundamentals of the argument. You made the baseless claim that Trump would be far worse for the Palestinian people, while Biden has given Israel everything and then some, without backing it up. You can’t actually answer my point so you slander me as alt-right despite advocating for Marxism.

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                Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!

                Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.

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                  You’ve advocated for voting for fascism, I have explained that revolution is necessary. Pretty simple!

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                    Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.

                    Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.

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                Someone who calls themselves a socialist but advocates actions that help fascism isn’t a socialist. They might believe in the ideals of socialism, but in practice those actions are fascist. When they use the alt-right playbook to make those same talking points, I will call that out.

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                  Uh-huh. I don’t think you’re aware of how far left Innuendo Studios is. Ian “Pinko” Danskin doesn’t seem to be working to convince his audience to vote for Harris. You might even say he‘s discouraging it. I don’t know where he lives or how he plans to vote, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he votes for the pinko candidate, Claudia de la Cruz, especially if he doesn’t live in a swing state where his vote might actually have any effect on the outcome.

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      Genocide is happening either way. Only option for american peasant is to go into opposition to the two party regime.

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        Voting 3rd party in this election isn’t the grand protest against the 2 party system you think it is.

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        Organize. Build a coalition. Those are great things to do to oppose the regime.

        Voting third party or not voting aren’t opposing the regime. They’re telling the regime “I don’t care whether you’re a little bit evil or very evil.” Harm reduction comes by voting for the lesser evil in the ballot box. Opposing the regime comes in actually building a coalition for less evil, not advocating for actions that’ll make the more evil option more likely.

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        Someone who’d go as far as calling them the “American Peasant” probably doesn’t know enough about their interests to be talking at them about what their interests as a class are.