When Harris was nominated, I told a friend of mine that my biggest fear was it was going to energize racists and sexists because she was black and a woman. I though she was great candidate, but the level of racism and sexism in this county is beyond insane.
Well it’s a good thing your worries were unfounded then because Trump got 72 million votes in 2020, and as of right now he’s got those same 72 million votes in 2024. 10 million or so democrats sat out this election compared to 2020 and that’s why Harris lost.
He should have lost a few million considering the sheer number of his supporters that earned Herman Cain awards.
Maybe we’re a bit more racist and sexist than people are willing to admit?
Or maybe it’s not a simple answer? Have you considered actually thinking about what happened instead of looking for a zinger headline?
It was actually because they gaslit people into believing that Biden was a competent candidate until like 3 months before the damn election.
THEN didn’t even hold a primary.
And then let Kamala Harris completely train wreck the campaign and say shit like 18-24 year olds were stupid (notice how most of those votes from men for trump were around that age?) And sure, the video was taken out of context but she did say it and these dumb fucks didn’t care what the context was when they see that clip droning on their TikToks and shit.
America does have a racism and sexism problem but to tell yourself that that is the only reason she lost this election would be lying to yourself in a very major way.
I did vote for her too, btw. First time I ever voted. But Jesus Christ the democrats just seem like they don’t want to win at this point.
Thankfully it looks like that did not happen. So far Trump got less votes than he did in 2020. It’s just that Harris did not manage to get the democratic voter base off the couch.
People keep saying this but they haven’t finished counting the votes. In California alone only 55% of votes were counted and he had 4,000,000+ votes there. The remaining votes could easily put him past his 2020 total.
You want this to be true because it’s a simple explanation, just like Republicans. Stop being so immature and look at the actual dogshit platform she ran on and think again. You just defined confirmation bias in your comment. Doesn’t make it true
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This isn’t going to be popular, but part of the problem is not acknowledging that 42%. It’s fucking insulting, frankly. Plenty of women voted for the bear.
52% of white women voted for trump.
Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.
Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let’s focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.
Please don’t get me confused, I don’t think it’s good this many men voted for The Stain. Also, 52% of WHITE women, but I bet if you combined ALL women, that number would drop dramatically.
My broader point is, IMO, that 42% never gets talked about so why would it grow, yeah?
Or, put another way, when I talk about women, who are my allies against the Patriarchy, I speak of why I like them (because I do, I LOVE women). They are resilient, strong, resourceful, grounded, etc, all the good stuff, and I try to include all women in that, they are my allies. I try NOT to focus on trad wives, manipulators, “gold diggers”, abusers, weirdos like MTG or Caitlyn Jenner , you know, bad people (and there are plenty).
But when I hear about men in the ally space, it feels like I hear all about how awful and dangerous we are and that’s it. And there’s ALWAYS this group of guys willing to go along with it and point and go “yeah, we totally suck! You guys saying we don’t are the real problem!” But, how is that motivating to anyone? It makes me upset, anyways. Maybe I’m just a big emotional baby, who knows?
Anyways, I’m blabbing. Bad habit of mine.
I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.
And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.
Meanwhile the right is actively recruiting young men. The name “Manosphere” for their recruitment cedes that ground to them with no resistance. “That’s just how men are, they hate women and vote for Trump because celebrities tell them to.” The right is actively selling their ideology to young men, the left isn’t.
The left has nothing for them, the American left used to be racist and sexist too, but then they expelled the dixiecrats.
Where do you think all that sexist racist scum came from? You think they wave confederate flags for no reason?
The left has TONS for men. You think men thrive under the patriarchy? Not being able to express emotions, not being able to express fraternal love, not being able to pursue “womanly” or"gay" passions. Men have rarely been more alone and less happy than they are now and left wing ideology can free them.
The left just doesn’t reach out like the right does. We could do a much better job.
The online left also doesn’t do a great job calling out sexism and other behaviours that uphold the patriarchy when it victimizes men. That’s pretty shameful and it’s hard for men to feel safe online in leftist spaces. In person I’ve never had a problem and people have been wonderful. But it’s a barrier to overcome that isn’t there on the right. The right says “you’re amazing because you’re a man, join us and regain your rightful amazing place that your deserve”. That’s a hard message when one side says you’re amazing as you are and the other, the side that prides itself of being open and accepting, is proud to tell you you’re worse than a bear and you shouldn’t feel hurt by that because it’s what you deserve.
America enforced an ideal for men that they have to be impossibly strong, stupid, brutish, and horny.
It’s only over the past 20 years that that started to break down, but large parts of the country are still infused with those values.
Everybody is acting so shocked because they lived in the nice parts of the country till now.
while were demographic blaming you might as well start talking about latinos
An I demographic blaming?
Honest question, why so defensive? This post is demographic blaming, but am I supposed to go, “oh yeah I suck even though I am an ally.” Is that it? Is that what you want? Subservience? Or an honest conversation so we can move forward?
I just don’t know if its all that valuable. The real change is not that Trump got a bunch of extra votes, its that nobody came out to vote for Harris, the percentages largely are distorted on that basis. Latinos opted to not vote so trump got a higher percentage of latinos, possibly because of Harris’ right wing immigration arguments.
The vice presidential debate where walz sat there and agreed with vance was the truth of this election.
Women largely didnt come out to vote for Harris for some reason despite abortion ballot initiatives being largely successful. I’ve heard enough stories that its possible GOP largely just challenged every woman’s signature/voter status on every ballot they could across america.
That problem seems like it could solve itself…
Face eating leopard party hungers…
I mean, I’m out. Doesn’t matter what I do or how I vote I’m going to be called the enemy by the left anyway. They are adamant that I am their enemy and that they are mine. So that’s how it’s gonna be.
Lol “I don’t want to be a right wing asshole, I’m only doing this because you hurt my feelings”
Dude that’s the weakest thing I’ve ever heard. Being in the left means constantly fighting and being attacked by other leftists for being the wrong kind of leftist. That’s what it takes to be on the left and you never had it, it’s what the kids call a skill issue.
Go be a right wing asshole all you want but don’t pretend you didn’t want it all along!
Throw that on the pile of “See what I mean?”
Being in the left means constantly fighting and being attacked by other leftists for being the wrong kind of leftist.
Yes, I’ve noticed the complete lack of civility, and thus a complete lack of teamwork, and thus an utter inability to accomplish goals. “The Left” doesn’t get shit done, so what’s the point of tolerating the infighting?
You come talk to me when you’ve figured out how to get along, work as a team, and are willing to court centrists into supporting you. And not a minute before. If you survive whatever’s next.
The fighting ensures we all stay intellectually honest. It’s a competitive market of ideas that creates positive, progressive ideology. The fighting is also internal, when one of us is fighting the systems that oppress us we all line up to help in solidarity.
Miss my with your pseudosuperiority and go crawl into whatever hateful right wing hole you call home.
See? I’m the enemy no matter what I do.
How would you know it’s 52%? Isn’t voting anonymous?
How do they know that men voted for trump?
Exit polls.
https://www.statista.com/chart/33408/female-male-us-voters-exit-polls/
white women voted trump, POC voted Kamala, but minority does mean less
I’m not familiar with the concept of an exit poll. I will look it up.
Why do you accept that young men voted for Trump. But when you’re told, using the same source of data, that white women did too suddenly you’re all questions?
young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway
Nice anti-masculine sentiment. No wonder they voted Trump. You guys don’t hide your disdain as well as you think you do.
feel attacked by the left and choose the right.
Lol I wonder why…
As a guy who used to be a young man and with a lot of young men as friends, retrospectively yeah, most issues were based in insecurities. You really want to be an adult and you feel like you should be one but you don’t know how to be one. You go out and want to meet girls and you are scared of the rejection.
You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t. It is an understanding of humans.
Just as a sidenote, based on my experience every young adult is struggling with insecurities.
Every young adult is struggling with insecurities.
This is a totally different statement.
You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t
Saying men are insecure when it’s the case across the board means it’s fair game to call you out. It sounds like fundamentally we don’t disagree though.
As a father of a daughter?
Those men need to go fuck themselves and die.
I am horrified my daughter might have to share a world with that complete trash.
Boooo. As a father of boys and girls it’s a HARD world for both right now. Completely different fights but let me tell you that my boys are suffering as much as my girls due to patriarchal expectations for their behaviours and the consequences of not complying.
The patriarchy is the problem, not boys. Don’t let your fears push you to hatred of a whole group of people that are just trying their best to be good people. It’s hard for young boys to resist the messages of the patriarchy, that was half the message in the Barbie movie. We can hate the behaviours without hating boys. We can solve the problem by tackling boys and men’s issues caused by the patriarchy and dismantle it together. We can’t dismantle the patriarchy by alienating, scapegoating, and allowing ourselves to hate so much of the population.
I never hid my disdain.
Then don’t be surprised when 50% of the population acts accordingly.
That seems bang on average for the entire country. If anything that suggests to me that men in that age group are less susceptible to trumps influence since other age ranges of men were in the 60s and 70s
WHITE WOMEN CHOSE THE DUDE THIS ELECTION AND THE DUDE WAS TRUMP
Yeah, but there are a LOT of white women in the south.
Absentee ballots are cool and all, I’m sure southern husbands and fathers love being able to ‘check everyone voted properly’.
I get your larger points, but do you really believe millions of women had their vote “verified” by their brother or husband??
I 100% guarantee it.
Understand dominionism, those men think they’re doing their job sheparding their flock.
These are the same chucklefucks who still do purity rings and dad-daughter “promise” dances, yeah the attitude of women as property still exists in large swaths of this country
You guys need to quit watching so much TV.
You know, I read shit like this and even though they had their fuckups, I recognize my parents did some major things right. We had family voting might, amicably discussed the candidates and issues, and then they showed us you could knowingly vote differently and still be a loving family.
Open fascists weren’t on our ballots until recently which made disagreement significantly more palatable. Talking about the rest of the ballot tho, honestly on some measures I don’t care that much and others in my family do. I’ll gladly lend my voice/vote on issues my family cares about if they’ll do the same for me (and they have).
“My house my votes”
Cool, now do women!
“Boomers are turning this country to shit!”
GenX:
Wish this would be adjusted for age. Obviously someone who had more time to accumulate wealth will have more wealth. The real question is how much wealth does each generation have at the same age.
Then why Silent has so little?
It’s extremely simple. How many people are alive born before 1946? Not many compared to the other generations. Their wealth went to their boomer children.
I am working off of one bar and have no electricity but this research has been done. I think pew has it, but it might be at ITAR
It also matters at the time, as that’s a form of power. Guess who can donate seriously to political campaigns, for example.
True. Question is a bit how much wealth is in things and how much in money - some boomer owning a nice house and a vacation home is very wealthy, but might not necessarily have the liquidity to donate if they live on some relatively small pension.
Well this here GenXer wishes he could have some of that wealth. Unless ‘have a mortgage’ constitutes wealth.
Mortgage? No. Equity in a house? Yes.
Equity in a house is not all that helpful when the house is in an undesirable town in an undesirable state.
My point is just that a mortgage is debt while equity is an asset, so I don’t think you should consider a mortgage wealth.
It actually does. The amount paid off at least, since the property is the wealth.
Considering how little we’re going to get back when we sell it within the next few months before fleeing to the UK, I would say that I don’t think it’s wealth.
Isn’t the UK politics pretty similar to US?
This is why I’ve been saying that we can’t expect the population to simply age out of conservatism. If that worked, it would have happened generations ago. Perhaps as far back as “cooking food over fire is making kids these days weak”.
Well that shows a 47-49 split instead of the 42-53 split originally posted for 18-29 men.
Two points vs 11 points. Exit polls are still just polls, prone to some hefty ranges.
I mean, it sounds to me like men also chose the bear. Why did they choose the bear, is it because they’re stupid? Probably not, they likely just thought their odds were better with the bear.
Dropping the metaphor, and looking in the cold light of day, those young men saw a better future under Trumpler than Harris. Articles signaled this well before, and nothing was done to address it.
Will their future be better - probably not. Can they be made to think their future is better, that’s a tough one. Remember, you can trick one group of people into thinking they have more rights by stripping the rights of those around them.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
God, the whole of Lemmy is such a meme right now; the majority of women voted Trump as well!
Lmao!..
ya, but what if you pretend that women are some monolithic left-wing force that totally would take the bear, instead of people? the bear v. man is literally a left wing bubble thing.
no, 20 million Americans withheld their votes.
that greasy orange fuck actually lost votes.
Why would you use the word meme in your analysis if your problem is that the content is meme-like
Because it’s like a meme… what?
it feels like you’re doing the thing that you’re complaining about
Well, there’s still 42% who voted for Harris. What’s wrong with them?
That is women literally choosing the bear (by not voting or who voted Trump, same thing).
Trump isn’t the bear you dolt. He’s the guy in the meme.
That meme is kind of a engramatic shitshow. We should stop referencing it.
I love how so many men in the comments are butt hurt by this comparison. Almost as if it hit the nail right on the head.
You are aware that 52% of white women voted for trump and that he won the popular vote by nearly 5 million votes (72,656,451 for trump, 67,978,280 for Harris) between both that is 140,634,731 votes. So 1% would be 1406347.31. so trump won by about 3% popular vote.
Blaming specifically men and exclusively, is what pisses them off.
America is sexist and racist.
“Fascism won. Better continue feeding into the race, gender, and class wars that majorly helped cause it to happen in the first place.”
You tell me as a response of me calling out gender war. Good one.
I’m mockingly quoting the people you are responding to.
Didn’t catch that sorry.
Maybe compare similar demographics, because woman between 19-29 didn’t. At least not in the states where it matters (because the popular vote doesn’t matter for the US election).
Then why are you talking about the popular vote of men then? Weird double standard there.
And I am not talking about a “similar” demographic because you miss the point. Why do you focus on men? Why not on white women? Why not on the general population?
Because that’s not what the original meme is about.
So just to get you straight, you make fun of men for being upset at the “meme” for push gender war non sense. When I critic you over you also push gender war non sense, you tell me that it isn’t about the popular vote and when I point out that the exit polls are effectively popular votes. And ask, why aren’t you talking about the popular vote of white woman but focus on men? Pointing out your gender war non sense, your defence is “I just engage in gender war non sense of the meme and push those ideas”. Okay
How many Trump voters do you imagine are here?
If no woman will consent to a guy like that, he’ll just vote for the candidate who promises to abolish consent
I am both disappointed and not surprised that half of young men voted for him
Half of everybody voted for him. This is such a ridiculous post, those are barely off the numbers for the whole election. Which is ridiculous, but why single out this group?
“Still deciding which minority is to blame” -The Onion.
Gotta be pissed off at someone, I suppose. Some blame leftists, some blame Latinos, some blame men.
That’s just not true. I’m waiting to see final numbers, but (just like every election) around 1/3 of those eligible bother to vote consistently. And half of them voted for Trump. The undemocratic Electoral College didn’t help, but apathy won him the White House. And it may just cost us our democracy…
2020 election.
Its cultural, men are more likely to be Republicans. One day this will change
I don’t know about that. We have to remember that people just didn’t come out to vote. Trump’s base is Trump’s base. It’s unchanging. People didn’t come out to vote, it’s not that Trump flipped people.
This is the real answer. Dems moved right again so their progressive base stayed home.
sorry i wasn’t clear at all. but ive seen alot of mention of gender and i feel the polling from 2020 disproves this as its not massively changed.
If there isn’t a movie yet where a woman meets a strange man in the middle of the woods and he starts acting creepy and she gets scared, then she sees a bear and decides to chance it with the bear… and then the bear runs past her and mauls the creepy guy-
Well there should be.
We need a cocaine bear 2
It’s amazing how I’ve never ever seen a single thread on this metaphor and not seen at least two to three male users get furious and thus prove the metaphor 100% correct. Not once. Every single time. It’s like catnip they can’t resist it.
no, women chose the man (Trump)
That is not in agreement with exit polling, what is your source?
Frankly at first I was angry at those who chose the bear, but after learning the majority of young men are republican I blame them less and less.
It’s amazing how I’ve never seen a single thread negatively generalize half the population and not seen at least two or three people from that half of the population get indignant. It’s almost like people don’t like being stereotyped.
Goofball.
