“I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.”
what do you think scenarios are?
“Such as?”
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win and was crying and making their silly little defeatist memes and comments, and then Biden kicked his ass and enacted remarkably progressive legislation that changed the country.
“Do you honestly think that matters now?”
of course it does.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
which you’ll need to understand before you can comprehend the number of elements at play and the legal system and how they work together in real life and not the rain clouds you’re tucking yourself under.
“Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes”.
you are completely incorrect again.
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
“not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE”
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Shoot, it’ll be illegal for him to vote as soon as he’s sentenced.
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
“You can take me to the bank on that one.”
you’re bankrupt, you are already wrong on both false assumptions.
“What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.”
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
I guess, but someone was going to be elected. turns out it was dumps.
“If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes”
you’re afraid, fine, but your fear doesn’t mean anything is inevitable or futile.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
you think it didn’t matter that Hitler was the one who took control of Germany, that Napoleon was just a chance roll of the dice and anybody could have taken his place?
No, demagogues are a very specific type of people who act in a very specific way.
jd Vance would not have inspired a violent riot.
Trump specifically did.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
you aren’t saying anything valid, you’re exhibiting anxiety and making demonstrably false assumptions.
“Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?”
Yes. again, he’s out $100 million, with 400 more on the line, he’s about to be sentenced for his felony convictions,his time is being wasted in court constantly. and more cases are coming up, wasting more of his time.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
it’s startling the amount you don’t know while still willing to repeat certain tangentially related phrases you’ve heard before.
“It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us”
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
expand your mind.
and seriously, try not to talk about things you have such limited knowledge about.
however cool you think empty cynical buzzwords are, they reflect poorly on you and render any points you’re trying to make completely impotent.
or at least ask in a more respectful way.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
holding your breath until your face turns blue, but like peeking over your shoulder at me to make sure I’m watching haha.
you can just ask politely and I will explain how these things work or provide the historical context you lack.
you’re not fooling anybody pretending you know anything about these subjects by making clearly false statements.
Ok, before I even get into this, are you aware that to the left of your question mark button is a button that has a right facing arrow, and if you put that right facing arrow in front of any of my quotes you don’t have to put quotations marks around my quotes in your responses and it makes your comments WAY easier to read by separating them from mine with a visual marker? Allow me to teach you.
what do you think scenarios are?
I mean, there are realistic scenarios and non-realistic scenarios. When we’re talking about an election and I say we ended up in the worst timeline, clearly I’m not talking about all possible fantastic timelines like all humans spontaneously growing a third arm on their foreheads.
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win
But this isn’t the same situation. Trump came out of left field and won and no one, including himself, was prepared. And he still managed to create significant chaos and implement changes that have long-term effects. But he also had the highest White House administration turnover rate in history. It wasn’t an effective administration at all, which kept it from causing even more damage. Now they have had years to plan. Years to find the people they want in the positions they want them in. They have policy detailing how they’re going to dismantle our government and rebuild it in their image. And they openly ran on that policy.
Pick up a history book. Hitler got curb stomped the first time he gained some power and went to prison. Had time to plan some things. Came back and took power and…well…yeah.
This is a much more concerted, detailed effort than the last unplanned for clusterfuck. It is guaranteed that they will do anything and everything while in TOTAL control of our government in order to prevent them from losing any future election. They have paths to effectively make it impossible for a Democrat win. Legislation can be passed to change gerrymandering rules to give them an even bigger advantage than they already have. They have made it abundantly clear that they have no concern for norms or rules in general if those rules don’t benefit them.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
Illuminate me. Please. Instead of just saying I don’t, explain to me what I don’t understand that makes anything I’ve said not a real, valid concern.
Laws only work if they are enforced. It is enshrined in our Constitution that presidents must divest from their businesses while in office. The Republican party flagrantly dismissed that directive for Donald Trump. Laws can be broken without repercussion if not enforced. They are now in control of all branches of our government. You think Republicans are going to enforce laws on themselves when we already know they’re not willing to do so? Or that they won’t legislate the laws that don’t benefit them out of existence?
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
Can you provide proof to me that he has already paid E. Jean Carroll $100 million? Losing a court case is not justice if there is no punishment actually enforced. Can you point to any actual repercussions that have actually taken place for Donald Trump for any crime he has committed in recent memory? I’m fully aware, as you are, that he was originally fined $5 million for raping E. Jean Carroll, and then fined an extra $90 million for defaming her. Can you provide proof that sum has already been paid to E. Jean Carroll?
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Again, being held accountable is paying for your crimes, not having a judge read off your sentencing in a courtroom. And what do you believe will happen to his other cases now that he’s been crowned king? There’s really no way for us to know yet, but the likliehood that they will go away just skyrocketed. Because some of what he’s indicted for comes with jail time if convicted. Do you honestly believe a sitting president, whose party now has total control of our government, will have to report to prison, especially with the SC’s recent broad decision about presidential immunity?
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
Past consequences? Like, are we going back decades here? Like when he lost a case for discriminating against black renters decades ago? I’m talking about his modern crimes. What ACTUAL repercussions has he suffered? He pay that $100 mil yet?
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
If you don’t grasp how what we’re experiencing is unprecedented in American history, I’m not sure how much I can help you.
We have a party that has been taken over by extremists. I’ve been around long enough to confirm to you that the Republican party now is absolutely not the Republican party of the past. It is being taken over by extremists. By conspiracy theorists. Their officials helped spread a lie about our democratic institutions that resulted in an attempted insurrection on our government. They voted not to certify the 2020 election. They ran a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who illegally attempted to overturn an election and ran on “dealing with the enemy within” and HE WON. That criminal and extremist party now fully controls our federal government.
THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
You haven’t proven me wrong on a single thing. The only thing you stated was that I didn’t know how our legal system worked without explaining to me why you think I’m wrong. Saying someone is wrong is not proving someone is wrong. You think I’m wrong about Trump not suffering consequences? He hasn’t. Prove to me he has since first taking office in 2016.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
Yes, and he already did his job and put his party back in power. Do you honestly think that all conservative policy and efforts stop when Trump dies? Are you insane? He wouldn’t be who he is without the party that backed him. That party remains when he is gone and they’ve proven to be just as unethical and volatile as him BY SUPPORTING HIM UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
Please don’t do it professionally. You are extremely bad at it. You don’t even know how to use basic keyboard functions that work on Lemmy or Reddit so your replies to me don’t look like one long run on paragraph with no clear seprations between what you’re saying and my quotes.
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
It’s time to let this go. Being an edgelord never works in your favor when having a debate. Everyone but you understands what I was talking about. You’re being a contrarian and that’s only something people bad at debating do.
expand your mind.
Expand your knowledge regarding how to properly use this site’s functions to make your replies not look like garbled trash.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
I’m talking to a person so ignorant that they don’t understand what’s unprecedented about the political situation we find ourselves in. I assure you, I have nothing to learn from you.
“I was talking about best case scenarios in reality, not fantasy.”
what do you think scenarios are?
“Such as?”
Just to keep it simple, literally 4 years ago when everyone assumed Trump was inevitably going to win and was crying and making their silly little defeatist memes and comments, and then Biden kicked his ass and enacted remarkably progressive legislation that changed the country.
“Do you honestly think that matters now?”
of course it does.
you don’t understand how the legal system works even at a basic level.
which you’ll need to understand before you can comprehend the number of elements at play and the legal system and how they work together in real life and not the rain clouds you’re tucking yourself under.
“Everything we’ve seen up to this point suggests that Trump will not be held accountable for his crimes”.
you are completely incorrect again.
he’s a 34 time convicted felon, he’s already had to pay $100 million and lost multiple court cases.
“not be held accountable for his crimes and that was BEFORE”
he literally was held accountable multiple times already and he’s still under indictment in many cases with more upcoming.
Shoot, it’ll be illegal for him to vote as soon as he’s sentenced.
you’re completely wrong and ignorant of his legal status and his past consequences.
“You can take me to the bank on that one.”
you’re bankrupt, you are already wrong on both false assumptions.
“What we are experiencing now is entirely unprecedented in U.S. history.”
how?
that makes no sense.
you mean this one person was literally never elected to a second term at the exact moment in history?
I guess, but someone was going to be elected. turns out it was dumps.
“If Trump dies or becomes incapacitated, he is replaced by JD Vance and business as usual resumes. Nothing changes”
you’re afraid, fine, but your fear doesn’t mean anything is inevitable or futile.
think about all these basic facts you’ve been wrong about just talking to one guy on the internet.
you think it didn’t matter that Hitler was the one who took control of Germany, that Napoleon was just a chance roll of the dice and anybody could have taken his place?
No, demagogues are a very specific type of people who act in a very specific way.
jd Vance would not have inspired a violent riot.
Trump specifically did.
The figurehead matters, you just lack the historical knowledge and context to see that.
you aren’t saying anything valid, you’re exhibiting anxiety and making demonstrably false assumptions.
“Has he, thus far, suffered the repercussions of these cases?”
Yes. again, he’s out $100 million, with 400 more on the line, he’s about to be sentenced for his felony convictions,his time is being wasted in court constantly. and more cases are coming up, wasting more of his time.
you’re lucky i like teaching.
it’s startling the amount you don’t know while still willing to repeat certain tangentially related phrases you’ve heard before.
“It is the worst timeline of the two that were available to us”
again, it is illogical and absurd to believe in timelines and also believe there are only two.
expand your mind.
and seriously, try not to talk about things you have such limited knowledge about.
however cool you think empty cynical buzzwords are, they reflect poorly on you and render any points you’re trying to make completely impotent.
or at least ask in a more respectful way.
you sound like you’re pouting but desperate to learn more from me.
holding your breath until your face turns blue, but like peeking over your shoulder at me to make sure I’m watching haha.
you can just ask politely and I will explain how these things work or provide the historical context you lack.
you’re not fooling anybody pretending you know anything about these subjects by making clearly false statements.
Ok, before I even get into this, are you aware that to the left of your question mark button is a button that has a right facing arrow, and if you put that right facing arrow in front of any of my quotes you don’t have to put quotations marks around my quotes in your responses and it makes your comments WAY easier to read by separating them from mine with a visual marker? Allow me to teach you.
I mean, there are realistic scenarios and non-realistic scenarios. When we’re talking about an election and I say we ended up in the worst timeline, clearly I’m not talking about all possible fantastic timelines like all humans spontaneously growing a third arm on their foreheads.
But this isn’t the same situation. Trump came out of left field and won and no one, including himself, was prepared. And he still managed to create significant chaos and implement changes that have long-term effects. But he also had the highest White House administration turnover rate in history. It wasn’t an effective administration at all, which kept it from causing even more damage. Now they have had years to plan. Years to find the people they want in the positions they want them in. They have policy detailing how they’re going to dismantle our government and rebuild it in their image. And they openly ran on that policy.
Pick up a history book. Hitler got curb stomped the first time he gained some power and went to prison. Had time to plan some things. Came back and took power and…well…yeah.
This is a much more concerted, detailed effort than the last unplanned for clusterfuck. It is guaranteed that they will do anything and everything while in TOTAL control of our government in order to prevent them from losing any future election. They have paths to effectively make it impossible for a Democrat win. Legislation can be passed to change gerrymandering rules to give them an even bigger advantage than they already have. They have made it abundantly clear that they have no concern for norms or rules in general if those rules don’t benefit them.
Illuminate me. Please. Instead of just saying I don’t, explain to me what I don’t understand that makes anything I’ve said not a real, valid concern.
Laws only work if they are enforced. It is enshrined in our Constitution that presidents must divest from their businesses while in office. The Republican party flagrantly dismissed that directive for Donald Trump. Laws can be broken without repercussion if not enforced. They are now in control of all branches of our government. You think Republicans are going to enforce laws on themselves when we already know they’re not willing to do so? Or that they won’t legislate the laws that don’t benefit them out of existence?
Can you provide proof to me that he has already paid E. Jean Carroll $100 million? Losing a court case is not justice if there is no punishment actually enforced. Can you point to any actual repercussions that have actually taken place for Donald Trump for any crime he has committed in recent memory? I’m fully aware, as you are, that he was originally fined $5 million for raping E. Jean Carroll, and then fined an extra $90 million for defaming her. Can you provide proof that sum has already been paid to E. Jean Carroll?
Again, being held accountable is paying for your crimes, not having a judge read off your sentencing in a courtroom. And what do you believe will happen to his other cases now that he’s been crowned king? There’s really no way for us to know yet, but the likliehood that they will go away just skyrocketed. Because some of what he’s indicted for comes with jail time if convicted. Do you honestly believe a sitting president, whose party now has total control of our government, will have to report to prison, especially with the SC’s recent broad decision about presidential immunity?
Past consequences? Like, are we going back decades here? Like when he lost a case for discriminating against black renters decades ago? I’m talking about his modern crimes. What ACTUAL repercussions has he suffered? He pay that $100 mil yet?
If you don’t grasp how what we’re experiencing is unprecedented in American history, I’m not sure how much I can help you.
We have a party that has been taken over by extremists. I’ve been around long enough to confirm to you that the Republican party now is absolutely not the Republican party of the past. It is being taken over by extremists. By conspiracy theorists. Their officials helped spread a lie about our democratic institutions that resulted in an attempted insurrection on our government. They voted not to certify the 2020 election. They ran a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who illegally attempted to overturn an election and ran on “dealing with the enemy within” and HE WON. That criminal and extremist party now fully controls our federal government.
THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
You haven’t proven me wrong on a single thing. The only thing you stated was that I didn’t know how our legal system worked without explaining to me why you think I’m wrong. Saying someone is wrong is not proving someone is wrong. You think I’m wrong about Trump not suffering consequences? He hasn’t. Prove to me he has since first taking office in 2016.
Yes, and he already did his job and put his party back in power. Do you honestly think that all conservative policy and efforts stop when Trump dies? Are you insane? He wouldn’t be who he is without the party that backed him. That party remains when he is gone and they’ve proven to be just as unethical and volatile as him BY SUPPORTING HIM UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
Please don’t do it professionally. You are extremely bad at it. You don’t even know how to use basic keyboard functions that work on Lemmy or Reddit so your replies to me don’t look like one long run on paragraph with no clear seprations between what you’re saying and my quotes.
It’s time to let this go. Being an edgelord never works in your favor when having a debate. Everyone but you understands what I was talking about. You’re being a contrarian and that’s only something people bad at debating do.
Expand your knowledge regarding how to properly use this site’s functions to make your replies not look like garbled trash.
I’m talking to a person so ignorant that they don’t understand what’s unprecedented about the political situation we find ourselves in. I assure you, I have nothing to learn from you.