About 59% of Americans say TikTok a threat to the national security of the United States, according to a new survey of U.S. adults.

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    It’s not a company, it is the CCP. There’s is a massive difference, both in terms of what the organizations can access and the warrant requirements at the governmental level. I’m getting really tired of having to explain the difference in privacy rights concerning governments and private institutions. It’s just like freedom of speech or religion. It has everything to do with private vs public institutions.

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        They will comply with any court order. They won’t hand over unfettered access like TikTok has to in China.

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          Considering the CCP can’t arrest Americans but the US government can, it makes no sense to be more afraid of china on a personal level.

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            And that is exactly what the Ukrainians thought about Russia. These are all actions intended to gain an edge to enable a potential future conflict. They are acting like it. We should too. War in the South China Sea is something everyone should be afraid of.

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                Very American of you. Americans felt the same way about the Japanese until 1941. Then it was about control of the newly important resource of oil.

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                  Lmao no japanese soldier set foot on the continent of north America dude

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                    Not only is that factually false with them invading Alaska, it’s like you’re saying that you’d be okay with another world war because we would win in the end. I would personally prefer to deter one which this effort is a part of.

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          Yes, yes I do. Also the CCP can’t ruin my life, unlike Uncle Sam. Deciding which one is more evil is irrelevant.

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            Well, the majority of Americans disagree with you per this article. A world war with China absolutely would ruin a lot of lives. I cannot even comprehend how you could come to the conclusion otherwise.

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              The majority of americans are fuckin stupid and believe whatever their TV programming tells them to believe.

              Who said anything about war?? I’m staying “in this regard”, which is about privacy and data being taken and used by a government. Outside of that context yes I think the CCP is absolutely worse than the US in just about every category. There’s no question there.

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                Read the title of this thread again. This thread is about if TikTok is a threat to national security. This thread is about war.

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                  That’s not what I was responding to but in any case, no, I don’t think tiktok is a threat to national security or going to cause a war. This is FUD.

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      It’s not about the CCP. It’s because kids watch TikTok and then don’t like conservatives

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        I am not inherently conservative but I am involved in the defense space and I could not disagree with this take more strongly. It 100% is about the CCP. Don’t try to make this a partisan issue. It is not.

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          It is absolutely a partisan issue because that’s why Republicans brought it up in the first place. The CCP gathering metadata on users has no bearing on our ability to beat them at sea, which is the only sphere of influence that matters with Chinese aggression.

          Should US military bases ban TikTok? Sure. Should the government block the app on all government phones, also sure. Banning social media wholesale is a disgusting precedent to set, and is fundamentally anti-American.

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            There is precedent in banning spyware. So, what is your reason for why the current administration wants to ban it? You cannot provide any proof for your claim outside of conjecture. There are no records and it doesn’t even make sense in the current political climate.

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              Unless you can prove TikTok is spyware and not just gathering user data per already accepted guidelines then you have no leg to stand on here.

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                They have the access to the data on your device and the CCP has been accessing it at scale according to former employees. You are not going to find a government record out of the CCP like you would in the US.

                ByteDance has lied on multiple occasions about their security protocols and only fess up when they are caught.

                The CCP according to their own bylaws do not see chinese companies as private. It is literally the definition of a fascist government system.

                This is not including what the intelligence services know which is undoubtedly more extensive. Something tells me you wouldn’t believe them one way or another but they do not come out with things as specific as this without cause and it certainly is not partisan.

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                  TikTok now makes it clear that it may collect users’ images and audio to enable filters and video effects, allow it to moderate content, and “for other non-personally-identifying operations.”

                  Not a problem for me or any other sane person

                  As for the CCP bylaws, I’m all for the Chinese overthrowing their hell-gov and instituting liberal democracy but until they do, it’s a non-factor.

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                    Folks just won’t get it until it hurts you and your families. By then it will be too late and they will have already invaded Taiwan. They want to generate video and audio models of you. They want to use those against your family and for propaganda purposes. They want to ensure they know where you are at all times to gain maximum impact when they do. It’s not insanity. It’s what they are actively trying to do.