Australians have resoundingly rejected a proposal to recognise Aboriginal people in its constitution and establish a body to advise parliament on Indigenous issues.

Saturday’s voice to parliament referendum failed, with the defeat clear shortly after polls closed.

  • Gerula@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    New to the subject here: why is it a desirable thing to recognise Aboriginal people in the Constitution?

    As I read through the article in the Aboriginal camp not everyone wants this. So I’m puzzled.

    • bennysaurus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s complex. Quite a few in the indigenous “no” camp want treaty instead; a formal legal recognition of aboriginal rights and representation, not just an advisory voice in parliament. Voting no for them was as much a protest as an attempt to send a message saying this should be much more. For them it’s all or nothing.

      Others didn’t see the point, yet others don’t see the problem in the first place, comfortable with the status quo.

      • miridius@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Ah the classic “I’m going to vote no to something good for me because I wanted something even better” argument 🤦‍♂️

        • comfy@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Their argument is that the Voice isn’t even something good. It doesn’t give Indigenous people any powers they didn’t already have, and the Voice can be ignored just as easily as the advice of the royal commission into Aboriginal deaths in custody recently was. Interview with the Black Peoples Union describes in better detail.

          But even if that weren’t the case and they did think it wasn’t worthless symbolism, successful collective bargaining doesn’t just settle for every first offer. So I don’t know why you’re claiming it’s a bad strategy, it’s how unions have won important gains for workers. It’s a strategy that has been historically shown to work when applied correctly.

      • Gerula@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        But aren’t Aboriginal people citizens of Australia and so already part of the Constitution thus having legal rights like everyone else? What are the extra rights and representation needed?

        • Ilandar@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          What are the extra rights and representation needed?

          Because they are Indigenous. Do you understand the difference between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples in a colonial state?

        • DessertStorms@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          16
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          But aren’t Aboriginal people citizens of Australia and so already part of the Constitution thus having legal rights like everyone else?

          No.

          What are the extra rights and representation needed?

          Basic human rights and equal representation, for starters.

          How about instead of spending your time here making such outlandishly ignorant comments, you spend it instead looking up for yourself how Aboriginal people are treated, and what equal rights they’re fighting for?, rather than sit back and demand others do the work for you?