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    This is not genocide. The Israeli army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.

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      Go back and read the UN Convention on Genocide, as this most certainly is that. Unquestionably.

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            Israel has nuclear weapons and f16s. If they tried to commit genocide they would succeed. If Palestinians had those weapons, they would literally commit genocide immediately as it is stated in Hamas’ founding charter.

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              Israel is dependent on foreign aid, do you think their allies wouldn’t notice if they bombed and killed millions of people at once? There would be a response from other countries in the area as well. Even the Nazis took a lot of effort to hide the holocaust during the execution of it. Where in Hamas’ founding charter does it state “we will commit genocide if we have the power.”? And even if it did, Hamas is not the Palestinian people, they haven’t had an election since 2006 and there are several other militant groups within Palestine.

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                Reading is hard: https://archive.ph/RNiIk

                “After some general explanatory language about Hamas’s religious foundation and noble intentions, the covenant comes to the Islamic Resistance Movement’s raison d’être: the slaughter of Jews. “The Day of Judgement will not come about,” it proclaims, “until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.””

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          Did you not read the UN Convention on Genocide? You know, the things Jewish people said they’d never forget?

          Here’s a PDF it’s only like 4 pages: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.pdf

          Whether or not it’s true if the population is increasing in spite of all of these things isn’t relevant. What’s relevant is that Israel is attempting several of them (only need 1 for it to be genocide), and they have been for several decades.

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            What would you have Israel do? Not defend itself? Because by doing so according to your logic Israel is committing genocide then.

            If Hamas didn’t keep attacking Israel and instead focused on improving the lives for residents in Gaza then Israel would not attack them.

            Also based on that link you cited and your logic palestinians are committing genocide against the Israelis

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              Defend itself against what? It, the UK, and the US started it and refused to relent. Yeah I expect Israel to give the illegal settlements back entirely. They intentionally encouraged too many people to move in in order to justify illegal expansion. So yeah send them back, pay the immigrants for Israel’s fraud and con, and give the Palestinian’s their land back.

              You steal someone’s car, and you make it right by giving it back and covering any damages. Just because Israel stole a really big “car” doesn’t change how right and wrong works. You give it back and apologize whether you’re a 3 year old or Netanyahu.

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                You clearly don’t want to be gentle. What is the solution here? If Israel doesn’t defend itself than its residents will continue to be the subject of attacks by Hamas. What other option is there?

                What country do you live in that would tolerate constant rocket attacks as well as now terrorist raids from their neighboring territory?

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              Nice pivot. Didn’t work, but good try.

              Also based on that link you cited and your logic palestinians are committing genocide against the Israelis

              What a fucking joke. I guess just pretend you don’t know how power dynamics work.

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                  Well they could start doing the thing that would’ve prevented the attack in the first place, treat Palestinians like human beings. The main reason Hamas is in power is because Israel treats Palestinians like subhumans. Hamas wouldn’t be a thing if Israel and Palestine made peace and found a way to co-exist.

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      They are doing that. They are bombing an area after making it impossible for people to evacuate by giving an impossible deadline. They are bombing the areas people are told to take on the way to evacuate. The people they are bombing have no defenses or way to escape. Israel’s own government officials have referred to Palestinians as animals and said there are no innocents among them. That’s what genocide looks like before having the benefit of hindsight.

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      This is not genocide. The German army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.