Many anti-communists are under the impression that communism is utopian and divorced from reality. I.e. on that dumbass sub enoughcommiespam, they say that having robots do janitorial work is idealistic and that there needs to be a division of labor for society to function. How do yall respond to that?
That’s a tactic anticoms will often use. They’ll try to bog you down in very specific whatif scenarios and then drive you to saying something that sounds like a utopia.
I find it helpful to point out how their whatif scenarios are not achievable under capitalism and hence not realistic or serious arguments even from their own point of view.
Exactly, you have to stay grounded in material reality. Capitalism has had 300 years to get its shit together. Why do our everyday lives suck? Show them drone flyover videos or walkthroughs of Chengdu. Tell them that Vietnam legalized social transition for transpeople and has a land grant program for indigenous people. A better world is already becoming possible right now without reaching for utopianism.
Well to this particular argument i would say that contemplating something that will probably not happen and surely not in the forseeable future they are 100 times more idealist, not to mention is derailing tactic from real issues.
Why labour division even came into the discussion? It’s not something you are for or against it, it is something that historically happened and won’t disappear until we either get rid of entire civilization or get rid of entire labour, therefore it won’t and shouldn’t disappear. I think it was Proudhon that wanted to get rid of the labour division in socialism and got absolutely demolished by Marx in “The Poverty of Philosophy”.
