The response Harris made to the protestors at the DNC is the best example I can think of. I’m probably exaggerating how much the Harris campaign is relying on this strategy because lemmy is inundated with “DO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN???” commenters,

ignoring a lot of the advice from Hillary Clinton strategists (thank fuck)

idk. They seem to be running on the “if you don’t vote dems you hate black people” shtick that didn’t work in 2016. Lemmy users are eating it up though.

I miss u bukkit ;-;

The one apple product I’m willing to buy.

I feel like other brands have closed the gap but there was a time where macbooks seemed like the only great laptop on the market.

Fuck genocide Joe. Dudes selfish as fuck and only backed out when he realized he was gonna lose.

Clearly hasn’t started yet?

Stop stooping to their level.

I’m not being nihilistic. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a short sighted strategy that results in politicians like Hillary, Biden, and Harris. I’m arguing that withholding your vote until it’s earned is an effective strategy to bring about change.

Before Biden dropped out everyone on this website was repeating this point over and over, “vote for Biden or we get Trump”. The average voter is not going to respond to that argument, and we know this because the polling for dems skyrocketed when Biden dropped out. Look at Walz’s polling compared to Harris. Despite all the right wing fear mongering, people like and respond to a progressive politician. Stop enabling the dems and hold a fire to their feet. Show them that if they want to get elected all they need to do is put forward policies that actually help people.

I no longer agree with this argument. Dems told voters to vote for Hillary in 2016 to avoid Trump and look what happened. Stop blaming voters and hold dems responsible for their shitty politics. If they want to win the election they need to earn the votes.

They won’t go further left unless we shove them that way.

We have very different opinions on how best to accomplish that. Voting for them unconditionally seems like a bad strategy.

Whats your argument? Everyone should have their sport at the Olympics even if it’s problematic?

You’re not engaging with the conversation, you’re just saying people will be disappointed if break isn’t an olympic sport.

Which one? I see one study saying only 13% of dems have any confidence in Bibi.

To be clear. I’m not suggesting Biden should turn on Israel, he won’t. I’m suggesting he threaten to cut support to Israel unless Bibi stops doing a genocide. If you can find me a study that says most americans don’t support a ceasefire then maybe I’ll change my position.

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I used to agree that people should vote blue if they are pro-Palestine, because Trump will obviously be worse, but I no longer think that. If democrats can rely on simply being better than republicans to win elections, what motivation do they have to shift to better policies? If americans will elect democrats despite them supporting a genocidal dictator, what motivation do they have to stop supporting that genocidal dictator?

What’s the use of having a vote if politicians don’t have to earn it?

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Just days ago the US sent weapons and money to Israel. Within a day Israel used american bombs to kill 93 palestinians while they prayed.

Just off the top of my head, within the past few weeks: Israel assasinated the Hamas negotiator in the midst of negotions. An IDF soldiers raped a palestinian prisoner to death and when they were arrested there were literal riots demanding their release.

Why the fuck is the american government supporting a genocidal dictator like Bibi? It’s actually fucking insane. All Biden needs to do is threaten to stop sending weapons and the genocide ends.

“I live in a must-win swing state. If you promise to end a genocide I will 100% vote for you”

If democrats want to win the election they need to earn votes, it’s as simple as that. If all dems have to do to win elections is not be republicans they will have absolutely zero motivation shift policy and earn votes. Withholding votes is a very powerful tool to make political changes happen and berating people for doing so is ridiculous. You’re criticizing people for exercising their democratic right.

People were saying the exact same thing when Biden was running. Everyone on this website shat on the opinion that dems needed to swap out Biden. “Not voting for Biden is like voting for Trump” etc. Lo and behold, Biden drops out and there is a massive swing in momentum.

The narrative that Biden should stay in the race was literally hurting the democrats chance at winning. Despite everyone’s insistence that Biden was the best chance at beating Trump, it just wasn’t true. Why do operate under the assumption that americans want their leader to suckle Bibi’s balls? Blocking weapons transfers until a ceasefire is the right thing to do and is not going to lose democrats the election.

No pro-Palestinian person is capable of being elected president

This is such a weird assumption. Americans support a ceasefire. Why do we think Kamala will lose the election if she says “Weapon transfers will stop until a ceasefire is reached”? She will instantly gain the rabid support of progressives who will fight tooth and nail to get her elected.

You’re also delusional if you think you’d be voting or campaigning for Harris if she about faced on current Israel policy

This is a strange assumption. I don’t fault anyone for refusing to vote for a party that is complicit in genocide.

I used to agree that people should vote blue if they are pro-Palestine, because Trump will obviously be worse, but I no longer think that. If democrats can rely on simply being better than republicans to win elections, what motivation do they have to shift to better policies? If americans will elect democrats despite them supporting a genocidal dictator, what motivation do they have to stop supporting that genocidal dictator?

What’s the use of having a vote if politicians don’t have to earn it?

In Vancouver we turned one of the skating rinks into a multi use community facility that hundreds of people use every day. (see another one of my comments)

Good shit can come out of the games if your city plays it’s cards right. But I don’t blame you for being skeptical lol. The games were pretty controversial back in the game day.

Vancouver definitely seemed to avoid most of the negative effects most cities face. One of the rinks built for the games (The Olympic Oval i think is the official name) is now a community center with 2 hockey rinks, ~8 basketball sized multi-use courts, a fitness center, about dozen ping pong tables, and probably more I’m not aware of.

It’s quite far from where I live so I don’t use it often but last year I was part of a sports league that used the facility and I was completely blown away. On any given day there are probably 100+ people using the courts, playing basketball, volleyball etc.

Israel cannot survive without US support. I didn’t realize that would be a contentious statement.

Why is exclusion worse than cultural appropriation? I’m excluded from the traditions of the first nations people where I live because I’m not first nations, is that a bad thing?

Most sports are not as recent as break and do not have the same cultural significance. Break was developed by an oppressed people who have historically had their artistic creations repackaged and sold without their involvement. I have no idea whether breaks inclusion in the games is cultural appropriation but I don’t feel like you are giving the proper context to the conversation.