We attract the best players and managers from around the world but don’t do the same for refs. Then we wonder why the officiating is much worse than the quality of players and coaches. The quality of the playing would be way worse without foreigners and quality of refereeing would improve with foreigners.

Agree or disagree?

  • wolvesJ0hn@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    Just a few people with some common sense and a little understanding of football would do

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    11 months ago

    I think yes. Not necessarily because they are better, but just because we have this cliquey self-serving situation where they recruit from an extremely narrow band of British society and watch out for their own way too much. If you break that up, increase the training standards and pay, recruit from a wider pool, I think you see standards improve.

    I think introducing more rigor in the recruitment, making it a proper degree level qualification where you also study things like coaching and sports science, sports psychology etc. Opening the recruitment up to all parts of British society and yes foreign refs as well.

  • Lillchillers@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    Almost every player dives or try to make a faul look worse or fakes a injury. Clubs complain against the refereeing all the time. The rules becomes more black and white to decrease the risk of doing a subjective call that is wrong. Clubs still complain because the penalty is sometimes to harsh given the situation. VAR gets involved. Clubs still complain because it takes to Long to make a call. VAR try to hurry things up which results in more human made errors. Clubs complain again. VAR gets more control and takes trippel the time to make a call just to be sure. And it continues…

    I just miss the old times where we had a ref who got the respect needed to make calls. Some refs looked as he could kill you with his fist if you started complaining. Yes there where wrong calls, but clubs respected that as part of the game. Get offside techology. Keep the goal line tech. Let VAR only look for malicious attempts which happens behind the refs eye sight. Soon TV will start using the VAR situations as advertising spot lol

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    11 months ago

    Gillett wasn’t even up to par in the A-League, how the fuck did he get a gig in England?

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    11 months ago

    What I don’t get is why the roster of referees hardly refreshes, you have incompetent referees like Taylor, Atwell, etc. reffing for donkeys years

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    11 months ago

    Absolutely agree, although the question shouldn’t be “foreign” but simply “competent”.

    The premier league has already crossed this line by importing refs from Australia, although they had to completely relocate and only ref here etc.

    Refereeing in the premier league needs to be completely redone form the ground up. Much higher salaries and therefore higher expectations on fitness and knowledge and education, VAR should be independently done and not by refs who also work pitch side.

    This is going to happen soon either way as several refs will leave, under the excuse of persecution, for the big money in the Saudi league. On the face of it it is ridiculous that a ref keeps control of players who some make more in a day or two than they make in a year.

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    11 months ago

    Each league thinks they have the worst referees, having foreign referees isn’t a bad idea but it’s not going to be a band aid fix, It’ll likely be an expensive solution to a minor upgrade.

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      11 months ago

      You might not be surprised to hear that I voted remain and have only become more anti-brexit since it happened!

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    11 months ago

    There’s an issue with getting former players (of any level) involved with football. Refs seem to be kids who weren’t ever any good at football but liked football.

    We need ex pros either being refs or being part of the VAR system to provide an ex players view of the game. People who understand that if you’re trying to play a ball and your foot rolls over or a players leg goes under your foot completely unaware to you, is a normal part of the game and shouldn’t be red cards. People who understand that jumping required you to used your arms to jump. People who understand what it’s like to have a football kicked at you from two yards away and how impossible it is to get your hand out the way and how your hand being up isn’t unnatural as you need to keep your balance.

    Too many refs haven’t a fucking clue about the actual physical actions of playing football and all they seem to care about are the literal interpretation of the law rather than applying the laws with a degree of common sense or understanding of how the games played.

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      11 months ago

      Afraid I’m going to have to disagree here… Though we might be able to find common ground. My issue with players in VAR is that almost every pundit is a former player and they consistently come out with biased, inconsistent, and often objectively incorrect information.

      Where I think there’s more scope to reflect your point is in giving ex players a role in IFAB’s development of the laws but I wouldn’t want them anywhere near VAR.

  • Hairy_Fondant1590@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    Why don’t you pull in some Americans, you’re already a bigger sport here than baseball. You can say whatever you want about our culture in this sport, but the more involved we get the better it is for EPL and clubs

    • allitgm@alien.topOPB
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      11 months ago

      Americans get a lot of unnecessary derision because they insist on calling football ‘soccer’ etc so I wouldn’t want to exclude Americans. But it has to be on merit otherwise what’s the point?

      The point of my post is that arbitrarily limiting a position to those with a specific nationality, necessarily limits the quality of those in said position. So if an American is good enough sure, but if they’re not going to improve it then not a chance.

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    11 months ago

    Considering the absolute mess Jarred Gillett usually makes of things, let’s stick to the top European leagues shall we?