(the link is not paid for, nor does it go to, McAfee, it’s malware)
Can’t wait to fully migrate to Proton.
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Honestly it still would have been malware if it was actually McAfee.
Why are there ads in Gmail what is this? I have never seen ads in my Gmail app
They only show if you have categories enabled, and then only on the Promotions category.
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…updating Gmail?
Is that a thing? It’s a website…doesn’t it update whenever they update it?
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Just realized you’re right. They show in all the tabs other than Inbox. Weak.
It made me so mad when they appeared in updates. I don’t use categories anymore and went full inbox zero.
There are ads in your gmail?
Yes, even though I pay for Google One (sucker, I know).
My Google Workspace email doesn’t have ads.
That’s weird, on android Gmail I don’t get any, even when searching.
Yeah same. I have free personal Gmail and everything.
Go to promotions, they’re all in there.
I have some stuff that falls into promotions, so I check it occasionally.
I don’t have promotions, I must have removed that one
Workspace has stricter requirements, i also pay for Google one and done have ads in my Gmail app.
Gmail serves you ads? Holy shit…
Proton slaps. Strongly recommend. And they keep giving benefits every year for loyalty like more free cloud storage space.
I’m waiting for proper Linux support to drop before fully switching.
Proton Drive is unfortunately useless to me right now, and I get no calendar outside of the web app and Android app.
wdym by linux support? you can just use thunderbird or mutt to read your emails.
Only the VPN and emails work on Linux via the bridge. The calendar doesn’t work, ProtonDrive is only supported through rclone by emulating the macOS client, it’s clunky and incomplete.
ah oki. i didn’t know proton did all that. pretty cool
Unfortunately, just like any private company, it can be bought or sold or just have new owners after the old ones die.
As a company, those great things they do for consumers can change on a whim, especially with new management and sudden need for revenue.
I mean, I remember people saying similar things about Gmail when it was invite only and had 1gb of storage. “It’s the best, why would you use anything else?”
All this time later, not feeling those same things so much, you know?
Proton’s services have been fully open source and regularly audited for years now. Until an audit reveals something or they start locking things down, they are a great option. You shouldn’t refuse to use a service because they might change their mind one day. Unless you expect everyone to roll their own everything.
Gmail was never open source. It was just very ahead of its time with its integrations/offerings.
You shouldn’t refuse to use a service because they might change their mind one day.
Sadly, when it comes to privacy, yes you should. Because privacy today does not equal privacy tomorrow. You can’t magic all your data out of their systems if things change. That’s the issue. I can take their privacy promises today, but if those promises can be changed on a whim by new owners… what good is that privacy promise? It isn’t.
Proton sells privacy. A privacy that can be rescinded.
Unless you expect everyone to roll their own everything.
I know it’s kind of an elitist attitude, but yeah, I fucking do. If they’re really concerned about their privacy.
Ed Snowden didn’t roll up to Glenn Greenwald and go “Yeah, just use any off-the-shelf messaging service that says its private.” No, he made Greenwald roll up his own.
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So you expect the average person to host their own email, cloud file storage, VPN, and web calendar?
Nope, just people who care about their privacy.
You have to live in reality dude. I mean, are you hosting your own instance (I see you have a blahaj account)? Do you not have any logins online on sites that are closed or you don’t control? Do you pay an ISP and let them handle your traffic? Do you use any streaming services? Do you use Steam or play console games?
I am living in reality, and you’re literally making my argument for me.
Just because I understand the implications doesn’t mean I’m a privacy nut myself. I understand the limitations of privacy on the internet, which is why I felt the need to comment on the idea that as long as someone else controls it, it’s not really private. It’s much like cryptocurrency in that respect “Not your keys, not your crypto.”
I’m not saying everyone should do this, but people who are using services like ProtonMail who think they’re a panacea are fucking naive and really should be considering better options if they’re that concerned.
The only way to have real privacy is to disconnect from it all, own your own hardware, and internet connection. I don’t mean renting one from Xfinity. I mean literally owning your own infrastructure. It’s nearly impossible unless you’re ridiculously rich and incredibly tech savvy. Even with that, your data will still pass through other infrastructure not owned by you.
Yet people are dumping money into privacy services whose privacy rules can be changed at any time.
It’s great they’re all open source, but you’re still putting your data on their servers. If the business changes hands, or just changes how they operate, you only have their word that your data is removed, if you want to remove it.
That’s the point I’m making. If you really want online privacy, you’re going to have to go real far to get it, and putting your faith in third parties is just the same game we’ve been playing for decades already. When you give you data to a business, it’s no longer “your” data, it is now a business record.
Sorry that talking about the reality of it means I should go out into the woods myself or something. You can accept the reality without feeling the need to do it yourself, you know? It’s why such services are pointless because they can’t actually offer you a permanent promise of privacy.
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@SnotFlickerman what do you work at facebook or something? this kinda privacy doomerism is honestly way worse than any false promises by nordvpn or whatever.
nobody should evaluate security or privacy by looking at something and saying ‘is this perfect?’ because of course it isnt. security is all about understanding the risks youre taking, and choosing to accept risks that are manageable - and that’s absolutely something like proton can help you do
@SnotFlickerman where’s your Lemmy instance
Don’t bother he’s a troll
how does that even make it through google’s qa?
thunderbird and k9 + a monthly donation to thunderbird rule :)
The content of the ads doesn’t matter as long as they’re paying for ads ;)
If you use Gmail badly this it what happens.
I feel like this is more on the user than on the app. Haven’t ever seen anything like this.
It’s the default Gmail layout, the one your average Joe who might seriously click on this would use.
If you remove your Promotions tab, it doesn’t serve you ads.
Exactly my point though.
If you’re using the default settings for anything you’re not going to have as good a time as spending a few minutes removing the crap.
It’s the same whether it’s Windows, Linux, Apple or whatever - the default is generally crap/annoying and you need to configure it.
Yeah no, applications need to be secure by default. Blaming the user does nothing to actually improve the security posture anywhere. The security posture of the app needs to be specifically designed with the least-skilled users in mind because they are also the most vulnerable to this type of problem. Google meanwhile is full of talented engineers who are experts at identifying and combatting this type of malware scam.
To look at it another way, what google is actually doing here is intentionally exposing their users to malware in order to take a cut in the form of advertising revenue.
What’s proton?
Good question!
It’s a privacy and security-focused productivity suite, mostly known for their Proton Mail product.
They don’t sell your data, they’re mostly open-sourced and get audited frequently.
Hmm interesting, I’ve been wanting to move away from outlook, I may need to look into this.
Hello there, fellow Montrealer!
Yeah I changed my Gmail view recently and I get ads now too.
Allo j’tai reconnu :D
Like I said elsewhere in the thread, I just switched to K9 mail, which is eventually going to become Thunderbird. Hopefully it’s good 🤞
This is why I switched to K-9 Mail instead of using GMail because borderline Google was legitimately serving malware not just McAfee which isn’t malware. Since it allows me to have my Gmail and other email accounts in it all at the same time instead of a dedicated app filled with ads leading to real malware.
Oh this doesn’t link to McAfee, this links to a scam site that may or may not send you to McAfee’s website after clicking their big “buy now” button.
why would you open it lmao
I didn’t at first, I went through the kebab menu to report it, and it tells me which domain it points to.
I did click it eventually out of curiosity because I’m on Firefox with an ad blocker and privacy tools.
The link within actually goes to McAfee, but I’m guessing it’s some sort of smart switcher where it sometimes sends you to a fake checkout page?
Wouldn’t it *leading to McAfee be scummy enough as is?
Fr lol
That’s not McAfee, check the URL at the bottom.
I’m aware, the “renew subscription” button goes to McAfee, this is a scam page
I did click it eventually out of curiosity because I’m on Firefox with an ad blocker and privacy tools.
with javascripts being disabled, right? right?
Yup, noscript 😋
Buy a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra and install McAfee on it. What could possibly go wrong?
Oh man been off the personal plan on gmail for a while (only have gmail for work because my office is on gsuite) and my pal showed this to me recently and I fucking rolled 🤣 I had tutanota an proton for a while but no SMTP support forced me into zoho which is still a millions time better than gmail
The fact that it goes to a malware website makes it 100 times better