Here in Philippines its expected for you to leave it be at the parking spot. Someone from the Mall/ Supermarket management will return it. There is someone doing a dedicated job for it. Not sure if it’s a bad courtesy in here. But you would be probably robbing someone’s job for it. The same is also with going up and down with elevators. Though not common in office buildings. I guess this probably started in USA as a cost saving idea for the companies, similar to how they convince us that jaywalking is bad and not tipping is bad.
In Europe the carts are chained together. You have to put in a coin (50c, 1 or 2€) to get one. You get the money back we you bring it back to the chain. No big deal. Everyone brings their cart back. No idea why American supermarkets refuse to do this…
Where I live more and more supermarkets don’t do this, especially since the pandemic. The coin mechanisms are expensive to maintain, and it turns out that the overwhelming majority of people were raised correctly and will return the cart anyway. Where else would you put the cart anyway? In the parking lane? Surely maneuvering your car around a stray shopping cart can’t be more convenient than just putting the cart back!
There is still someone that grabs them. They are just collected in one place rather than looking everywhere for them. It also makes it better for people with nicer cars that don’t run the risk of random carts hitting their car.
Maybe? not sure we’re even that stage yet in Philippines. Is it really demeaning? Maybe that is in your view. I think the people manning those probably don’t think so.
What’s humiliating about being a cart manager? It’s a need and most folks generally appreciate it. My buddy was one for a while and he was able to maintain his physical fitness while feeling like he was able to genuinely help others, it was really only the poor pay that was a problem.
I just told you what’s humiliating about it- Being forced to work in all kinds of weather doing something only because people are too rude to do it themselves. I’m glad your buddy didn’t find ingratiating himself to people who are richer and more successful than him humiliating, but in general, most people would. Maybe he should look into becoming a butler.
Better pay yes everyone prefers that, as for the job itself is humiliating not sure about that. Maybe it’s a cultural thing that I’m not getting. If the job pays you to grab carts and put it in their place and pays fair enough then what is humiliating for that? Let’s imagine taste testers for dog food is that job humiliating if it pays well? What would be humiliating is if the job like putting carts to their right place requires you to be a college graduate and they pay low. Maybe that is what your referring.
Yes. Being out in any weather taking care of something because other people are too lazy to do so is humiliating. I have no idea why you think it isn’t.
And are they really getting paid fairly? If I looked up the pay of someone who returns carts, would it be a comparable wage to someone sitting in an office all day despite it being a much more physically demanding job?
Because otherwise, I think you and I have very different definitions of “fairly.”
Here in Philippines its expected for you to leave it be at the parking spot. Someone from the Mall/ Supermarket management will return it. There is someone doing a dedicated job for it. Not sure if it’s a bad courtesy in here. But you would be probably robbing someone’s job for it. The same is also with going up and down with elevators. Though not common in office buildings. I guess this probably started in USA as a cost saving idea for the companies, similar to how they convince us that jaywalking is bad and not tipping is bad.
In Europe the carts are chained together. You have to put in a coin (50c, 1 or 2€) to get one. You get the money back we you bring it back to the chain. No big deal. Everyone brings their cart back. No idea why American supermarkets refuse to do this…
Where I live more and more supermarkets don’t do this, especially since the pandemic. The coin mechanisms are expensive to maintain, and it turns out that the overwhelming majority of people were raised correctly and will return the cart anyway. Where else would you put the cart anyway? In the parking lane? Surely maneuvering your car around a stray shopping cart can’t be more convenient than just putting the cart back!
There is still someone that grabs them. They are just collected in one place rather than looking everywhere for them. It also makes it better for people with nicer cars that don’t run the risk of random carts hitting their car.
Keeping demeaning, low-paying jobs for the sake of those jobs existing so someone desperate can take them is peak late-stage capitalism.
Maybe? not sure we’re even that stage yet in Philippines. Is it really demeaning? Maybe that is in your view. I think the people manning those probably don’t think so.
The people manning those would probably prefer a less humiliating job for better pay.
What’s humiliating about being a cart manager? It’s a need and most folks generally appreciate it. My buddy was one for a while and he was able to maintain his physical fitness while feeling like he was able to genuinely help others, it was really only the poor pay that was a problem.
I just told you what’s humiliating about it- Being forced to work in all kinds of weather doing something only because people are too rude to do it themselves. I’m glad your buddy didn’t find ingratiating himself to people who are richer and more successful than him humiliating, but in general, most people would. Maybe he should look into becoming a butler.
Are you too proud to handle customers or something?
“Handle customers” and “clean up after lazy, entitled customers” are two very different things.
Not always
Better pay yes everyone prefers that, as for the job itself is humiliating not sure about that. Maybe it’s a cultural thing that I’m not getting. If the job pays you to grab carts and put it in their place and pays fair enough then what is humiliating for that? Let’s imagine taste testers for dog food is that job humiliating if it pays well? What would be humiliating is if the job like putting carts to their right place requires you to be a college graduate and they pay low. Maybe that is what your referring.
Yes. Being out in any weather taking care of something because other people are too lazy to do so is humiliating. I have no idea why you think it isn’t.
And are they really getting paid fairly? If I looked up the pay of someone who returns carts, would it be a comparable wage to someone sitting in an office all day despite it being a much more physically demanding job?
Because otherwise, I think you and I have very different definitions of “fairly.”
Fair enough, I looked into average office clerk salary and a bagger. They don’t seem to be far off though probably way low compared to USA standard.
https://ph.indeed.com/career/bagger/salaries?from=top_sb
https://ph.indeed.com/career/office-clerk/salaries
Look the average age of those jobs. Its basically all kids who are out of school for the summer or holidays
So no one puts carts away the rest of the time?