A lot of people here are claiming something “like this is a problem that only affects these idiots”. Sadly, that’s not the case. A number of these vaccines are only roughly 80% effective. The efficacy of these lies in herd immunity, where the 20% of people who did get the vaccine, but are not protected, will never encounter the disease because the other 80% can’t get it to spread it to them.
Let’s say you need 70% of people to be protected to maintain herd immunity. Then just 10% of the population needs to be idiots, and the disease spreads to the 30% that isn’t protected. Of that 30%, 20 points are people who were not idiots and got vaccinated, but unfortunately are not protected. The idiots will get sick, but twice as many not-idiots will get sick too. Unfortunately, for some of these diseases, the idiots will be hurting many more people than themselves.
The affected people are not necessarily immunocompromised. For example, after two doses of the mumps vaccine, 88% of people are immune. Immunity decreases with time, so the proportion that’s immune is lower than that. Let’s guess at 80%. You, the person reading this, can be a normal healthy person who got the mumps vaccine, and you have a 1 in 5 chance that you’re not immune. Those are some pretty big odds.
Well, I wasn’t even considering them. That’s a particularly vulnerable group, but I was referring to uncompromised people for whom the vaccine is not effective, or for whom immunity has waned.
You guys are still spreading this misinformation? Like two years ago know we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission, it’s not protecting the immunocompromised at all.
“It’s”? Are you talking about covid? Because we’re talking about other diseases, and if you’re claiming that a population fully vaccinated against mumps, other than the immunocompromised, doesn’t protect the immunocompromised from mumps, feel free to look up and compare current and past rates for mumps infections.
Then, use your half a brain to extend that to COVID. The COVID vaccines do little to prevent transmission in that if you are vaccinated, and are exposed to the virus, you will still likely become infected. But the vaccines reduce the duration of infection and reduce the viral load shed by the infected person, this reducing the probability that an infected person will spread to anyone else. If an infected person is infecting fewer people, that is a reduction in overall transmission. So when you say “’we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission”, you’re completely wrong, or at the very least, equivocating, by conflating individual transmission with overall transmission rates. Here’s a link, since I doubt you’ll know what that means either: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivocating.
A lot of people here are claiming something “like this is a problem that only affects these idiots”. Sadly, that’s not the case. A number of these vaccines are only roughly 80% effective. The efficacy of these lies in herd immunity, where the 20% of people who did get the vaccine, but are not protected, will never encounter the disease because the other 80% can’t get it to spread it to them.
Let’s say you need 70% of people to be protected to maintain herd immunity. Then just 10% of the population needs to be idiots, and the disease spreads to the 30% that isn’t protected. Of that 30%, 20 points are people who were not idiots and got vaccinated, but unfortunately are not protected. The idiots will get sick, but twice as many not-idiots will get sick too. Unfortunately, for some of these diseases, the idiots will be hurting many more people than themselves.
The affected people are not necessarily immunocompromised. For example, after two doses of the mumps vaccine, 88% of people are immune. Immunity decreases with time, so the proportion that’s immune is lower than that. Let’s guess at 80%. You, the person reading this, can be a normal healthy person who got the mumps vaccine, and you have a 1 in 5 chance that you’re not immune. Those are some pretty big odds.
Yes, the immunocompromised people are relying on the herd for protection, and the morons are letting them down
Well, I wasn’t even considering them. That’s a particularly vulnerable group, but I was referring to uncompromised people for whom the vaccine is not effective, or for whom immunity has waned.
Unfortunately, many people don’t consider them :( Getting a vaccine is not just for ourselves. It’s an investment in civilization.
You guys are still spreading this misinformation? Like two years ago know we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission, it’s not protecting the immunocompromised at all.
“It’s”? Are you talking about covid? Because we’re talking about other diseases, and if you’re claiming that a population fully vaccinated against mumps, other than the immunocompromised, doesn’t protect the immunocompromised from mumps, feel free to look up and compare current and past rates for mumps infections.
Then, use your half a brain to extend that to COVID. The COVID vaccines do little to prevent transmission in that if you are vaccinated, and are exposed to the virus, you will still likely become infected. But the vaccines reduce the duration of infection and reduce the viral load shed by the infected person, this reducing the probability that an infected person will spread to anyone else. If an infected person is infecting fewer people, that is a reduction in overall transmission. So when you say “’we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission”, you’re completely wrong, or at the very least, equivocating, by conflating individual transmission with overall transmission rates. Here’s a link, since I doubt you’ll know what that means either: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivocating.