There’s no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a “non-profit” company, despite raking in loads.
I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI’s, but I’m curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I’m really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we’re just making the echo chambers even more defined.
Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited.
I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to “write a new LOTR” book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it’s only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it’s a human writing it.
Again: I’m really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different.
That someone simply read the lawsuit that’s been posted a billion times. Did you read the article you posted? The first sentence links to their summary of the lawsuit.
Edit: Whether it’s a genuine pursuit or not on Elon’s part, it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open. Or in his case, the company he helped fund.
Whether it’s a genuine pursuit or not on Elon’s part
I suppose I didn’t separate those thoughts properly. But that’s exactly what I was getting at. If you read his lawsuit, that’s certainly at least part of the picture he’s trying to paint.
Edit: I’m not sure if you’re just bored and looking to argue? But you simply restated my point.
My point was more that I’m not sure what he’s doing counts as “fighting to keep AI open”. I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don’t believe that’s what he’s getting at
Musk alleges that OpenAI’s partnership with Microsoft has transformed the organization “into a closed-source de facto subsidiary” of Microsoft that’s focused on maximizing profits.
Yeah. There’s some verbiage there to suggest that. And I believe the part where I said whether he’s genuine about it , covers my thought about the uncertainty of his intentions.
We are splitting hairs here, but you responded to me with a personal question that I believe I had already covered. ?
Someone said on hacker news that he is doing it to force open Ai to share their secrets.
There’s no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a “non-profit” company, despite raking in loads.
I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI’s, but I’m curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I’m really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we’re just making the echo chambers even more defined.
Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited.
I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to “write a new LOTR” book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it’s only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it’s a human writing it.
Again: I’m really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different.
There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :)
That someone simply read the lawsuit that’s been posted a billion times. Did you read the article you posted? The first sentence links to their summary of the lawsuit.
Edit: Whether it’s a genuine pursuit or not on Elon’s part, it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open. Or in his case, the company he helped fund.
No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here?
Which is why I said:
I suppose I didn’t separate those thoughts properly. But that’s exactly what I was getting at. If you read his lawsuit, that’s certainly at least part of the picture he’s trying to paint.
Edit: I’m not sure if you’re just bored and looking to argue? But you simply restated my point.
My point was more that I’m not sure what he’s doing counts as “fighting to keep AI open”. I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don’t believe that’s what he’s getting at
Yeah. There’s some verbiage there to suggest that. And I believe the part where I said whether he’s genuine about it , covers my thought about the uncertainty of his intentions.
We are splitting hairs here, but you responded to me with a personal question that I believe I had already covered. ?
Must be true if Musk said it
That’s clearly not what I’m saying. I don’t know how to simplify it any further. Best of luck to you friend.
Might be easier to force them to change their name if they ain’t “open” (source) anymore /s
Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They’re about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist