This was literally the first thing I said about the “unbreakable windows” for the cyber truck. That is NOT a good thing in an emergency. This is just one example.
do they even have a mechanical latch on their doors?
i remember something about them being electronic only?
There are mechanical latches but I think most people, even owners, don’t know about them.
To be fair even purely mechanical ones would be extremely difficult to open once water is even part way up the doors. The pressure difference inside & outside the car only grows higher as the water level gets higher. That’s why it’s always a good idea to have a tool Like this nearby that can both break the glass and cut your seatbelt.
Check out the Mythbusters and other sources if you think you can open a car door from an even a partially submerged car…
You literally have to disassemble part of the door card to access them on some models. It’s ridiculously unsafe.
The glass on the x is breakable. The issue if your car goes into water, most people panic and you have only a few minutes to get out. We had training in the army for this and I died almost every time. Doesn’t help that I’m just an ok swimmer
Art tho a geist?
Simulated since it’s training.
Twas merely a joke!
Was it a cybertruck? That’d be even funnier. Pretty sure that breaks safety regulations in a lot of countries, just like a lot of other aspects of that pile of shit of a car.
They keep people in the car better during a rollover event. No idea if the gains there are worth the increases risk of not being able to quickly escape.
Lots of car manufacturers recently are switching to laminate windows.
They keep people in the car better during a rollover event.
Even more effective is a little known technology called a seat belt. Windshields have been laminate for a while. Side windows are supposed to be tempered so that shatter into tiny pieces.
seat belt
Unfortunately a large part of the world treats the idea of using one from optional to straight up hostile.
So instead of fixing the issue of people not wearing seat belts, car manufacturers should start acommodating them?
Delicious schadenfreude. This has it all: A dead billionaire; relation to a Republican ghoul; it was a fucking Tesla. They even gave us a throwback to OceanGate with the water death.
Don’t forget a silly design choice that did not consider the possibility of disaster let alone a rescue attempt.
Eat the rich. Compress the rich. Glub blub the rich.
Petition to turn all billionaires into blub-blub-ionaires
Seconds please.
drowning in a Tesla is now my favorite way to see a billionaire go… right on her hundred million dollar compound too…
There’s so many parts to this story that any one of them could solve this…
A: Not being a billionaire with a lake on your property to drown in, close to where you leave your car
B: Not buying a car where you push one button or use the touchscreen to change gears. (What is it with the volume knob shifters and buttons of modern cars? I don’t drive these days but the last car I drove still has the shifter with the question mark shaped track, I never had to look at it to know which one I’m on)
C: Not buying a Tesla whose design decisions make saving you from drowning nigh impossible.
Or having safety regulations that would make glass easy enough to break, the type of shit the GOP would vote against. Or car doors able to manually open (once the car is full of water, the pressure on both sides is equalized). But yeah, this whole thing is such a freak accident filled with irony.
Turns out, the safety regulations are the exact opposite! Beyond Tesla, all new cars are required to have laminated windows in the US.
Also I’d never get a Tesla nightmare spy device, but the doors in the front have a manual open that’s so easy to open, people have to warn passengers not to use it. (It can break the window lawl)
It can break the window lawl
Is the mechanism right in between a potentially lowered window pane and the other side of the door or something?! Still, sounds like she could’ve gotten out if she knew and wasn’t panicking.
Billionaires are all intelligent and hard working, if that feature wasn’t just fake news she would have used it.
Sure thing, Elmo.
The windows roll down a little bit when you use the electronic door open button. If you use the physical open lever, the windows don’t roll down… uhhh, design?
Also I’d never get a Tesla nightmare spy device,
Is there any car that isn’t these days? seems like everythings got a gps enabled computer with onstar and a blackbox that phones home to ensure you’re allowed to drive the vehicle
No idea, but Tesla is the most spying-est. no idea what I’ll get when my current car dies. Hopefully it never does. I love it very much.
That thing can be super hidden!
My safety concern:
I think owners of the pictured models^ have to be trained if they’re to be expected to reliably think about, find, and operate the emergency releases.These photos are taken from an angle a driver’s head is unlikely to be at!
BTW, haven’t heard of windows breaking (conceivable!), instead Tesla warns about the door seal:
Or even regulations that require a physical shifter so you can’t accidentally fuck it up by swiping a touch screen to go forward or back…
What are you? Some kind of Communist?
I feel like all of it could be solved by just having enough brain cells to not reverse into the water? Were you really parked less than 5 ft from the water? Such that you had literally no time at all to notice the vehicle was going the wrong way and stop
Much easier:
Let the car fill, breathing as much as you can from the air bubble on the roof. Once full, the pressure will equalize and you can open the door.
That said, one less billionaire.
I mainly wrote this in case any reader runs into this later in life.
EDIT: This does not work with Teslas as their door mechanisms are electric and the manual override locations are given below by @Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's comment below
Doesn’t Tesla have seamless windows that roll down automatically? It’s likely the water shorted out the car meaning you’d have to apply enough pressure to the door to force the windows out of the frame.
You don’t need to roll down or break the window, just open the car door once the pressure equalizes.
Edit: Note this does not work with Teslas as they use electrical door opening, if you need the manual overrides, check out @Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's comment below
Believe it or not, you can’t. The mechanism you normally use to open the door isn’t mechanical - it relies on the electrical system! There is a mechanical override, but most Tesla models put it in completely different bizarre and hidden places
Oh my bad, didn’t realize Teslas were that shittily designed. Going back to edit my original comment.
I don’t own a Tesla, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they have a design flaw that prevents them from opening if the interior of the door gets wet
One 86ing themselves by drinking Musk’s Kool-Aid is just… chef’s kiss
Women drivers amirite?
<loudly slurps coffee>
Zing!
what a world we live in, where a sexist joke gets downvotes but celebrating the death of a human being (not a Terrorist one) gets upvoted to oblivion.
Burn it all down.
Ahh yes slandering a whole sex is exactly the same as mocking a parasite that died.
womp womp
How’s that boot tasting?
Billionaires are the most effective terrorists.
Perfectly said
Instead of celebrating the death of a billionaire who is related to a politician you don’t like, can we just bash the politicians that allow billionaires to go untaxed? One dying doesn’t solve anything. And also, it’s really not cool in my opinion to be happy that somebody died just because they were rich. They might be rich but that’d be okay if they all paid taxes and we used those taxes to feed hungry children etc
By definition, a billionaire is a bad guy. You don’t get there without doing bad things to good people. There are no ethical billionaires.
Nobody needs that much money to live, even in extreme comfort. Anything they own beyond 100-150 million is pure vanity. Nobody needs more money than this.
I think this is often true, but not always true. I struggle to see what MacKenzie Scott did to deserve my disdain, for example. I just think she should be taxed more.
One dying doesn’t solve anything.
You heard 'em, people! We need to do MORE!
Fuck em, eat the rich. I’ll celebrate anytime these motherfuckers are killed by their excess. Reminds me of the Disney exec a long time ago that died in a helicopter crash. Among a few things that suck about being an atheist is realizing there’s no hell for them to burn in for all time, because I really wish there was. That’s where they deserve to be, burning in agony and torment.
[Edit] I feel real strongly about this. The wealth inequality is one thing, but their interests also put in place a great deal of suffering via apathy. They are so disconnected from the problems underneath them for the common person, and they have such a severe lack of empathy or sympathy for others I really don’t give a fuck about the families. How about the families of the working class who make so little they depend on public assistance? How about the families of their employees that generated their wealth, but can barely afford their bills and can’t save? How about all the American families who’s parents are going into “retirement” with less than a third in their 401k’s than what they’ll need to live out their last days?
You wanna talk about the suffering of families? I place the suffering of many globally at the hands of these greedy fucking billionaires to the point they have literal blood on their hands and they don’t give a flying FUCK about any of it. So hell yes I’m going to celebrate this death. Fuck that entire notion, they’re disgusting people and they fucking deserve much worse.
If you think it’s unacceptable to be happy about the deaths of evil fuckfaces who have brought nothing but agony and suffering to this world and have made little to no positive contribution to this constantly self-destructing rock despite having massive opportunities, then respectfully, fuck you. Don’t gatekeep happiness
If they paid taxes and used those taxes to feed hungry children then they wouldn’t be billionaires.
👏 Eat 👏 the 👏 Rich 👏
Yeah, people here are a little extremist/fucked up.
People can do shitty things, but it doesn’t immediately mean they deserve to die and we should celebrate.
A little? This thread is almost entirely comprised of psychopaths.
The psychopaths are the billionaires hoarding giant piles of money while the rest if us destroy ourselves just trying to survive. I feel as sympathetic for dead billionaires as they feel for the millions of families they fuck over each and every day.
I don’t think you know what psychopath means. Unless you’re a millennial or zoomer who thinks words can mean whatever you want. Becoming as wealthy as possible isn’t psychopathic behavior. That’s what 99% of the planet would do if they could.
Hear, hear. We are better than them.
I’m fucking not. Rip and tear is until it is done.
Whatever makes you feel better.
Them dying off makes me feel better
It’s not about “us > them”, it’s about leveling the playing field and wanting the rules (law) to apply equally to us AND them.
But they make the rules.
I’m not. If I could get away with cutting the brake lines I’d have been doing that. The issue with something subversive like that is that they may not know it’s the working class killing them off.
Well… if there’s one thing that hasn’t been thrown at Musk with killing intent yet, it’s another Billionaire.
I do hope to watch them fight. If there’s one force on earth that might actually be able to extract legal repercussions from him, it’s whatever army of lawyers a rival billionaire can summon from hell.
It’s being investigated as a criminal incident in order to rule out criminality despite Chao making a phone call and explaining that she accidentally threw it in reverse, meanwhile if us normal folk call in a break in cops are like ‘just come in and file a report so we can throw in the trash can alongside the rape kits’
I have heard they lazily deal with all crimes unless it’s interesting and something can be easily be resolved and give a lot of political capital.
They might go a little further than a report, but they’ll lazily report it as accident instead of murder, even if it was a complicated murder.
You mean they take death more seriously than robbery? Wow, shocking.
Try to put your two neurons together and read it again
🥳🎉
I can smell a certain musky stench from here, I hope it panics them to their core.
I can smell a certain musky stench from here, I hope it panics them to their core.
He’s not panicking, he’s got better things to do! Like getting those wax wings a little closer to the sun!
Edit -Fixed weird error.
She drove into the pond like Michael Scott
Good riddance. Only a few thousand more to go.
While this sucks for the family involded, I wouldn’t blame a car maker or anyone else if I accidentally reversed my car into a pond and drowned in it. Rescue attempts were pretty feeble, and if you take a minute to think about it, none of the people at the premises did jack shit either.
It’s a loss for everyone involved, but a cautionary tale as well: don’t dine and wine and hop in your car.
Seems like a lot of contributing factors:
- The private ranch seems remote and has tough terrain, which impeded rescue response, delay and limited resources
- The fact the Model X “shifter” is touch screen based and Tesla has an ‘auto-decide reverse or forward’ feature might have contributed to her confusion
- It is likely the electronics disengaged, making the exterior door handles unworkable, so the only door handles that could have worked would have been the manual release inside
- She might have panicked and forgot or did not know about the manual release, since the usual way is to press a button, because buttons are… cool I guess?
- She might have done the manual release but it failed to open because of the weight of the water. Once water got in she might have not thought to try again, or she was somehow incapacitated at this point
- The glass was evidently not easy to break. The rescuers tried and failed.
- Tow truck driver was afraid of the electricity
The people on premise seemed to try, but given that even with trained rescuers with equipment they failed to extract her, I can’t say they did “jack shit”, there’s probably nothing the people on premise could do, except maybe tell her to let some water in quicker to open the door at the right time.
So:
- As you say, even if on private property, don’t drive impaired (although it’s not stated whether she was drinking or not)
- Beware that a remote property might be great for showing off you have a lot of land, might not be so great if you ever need help, it will take a while and be of lower quality
- Tesla’s “button and emergency release as wholly independent controls” is a bad idea
- Tesla’s “touch to override, but otherwise let the car decide if you want to go forward or backward” is a bad idea
- Drivers should be reminded about how to open the door if water is outside (try to let enough in to open, before you get too deep).
- Tesla’s “button and emergency release as wholly independent controls” is a bad idea
Definitely
- Tesla’s “touch to override, but otherwise let the car decide if you want to go forward or backward” is a bad idea
Almost certainly
Sound like the two biggest parts of the story
There was a time when I wanted a Tesla, but these days I’m more and more happy I still have my decade old car with mostly all physical controls
Killing you is one thing. It’s a small maybe. Almost everybody will get lucky.*
The spyware aspect? The multiple taps to do anything and everything? Those are guaranteed for everybody.
Eventually somebody will have to manufacture something reasonable:
1 - Hardware based physical connectivity disconnection toggle, & strong privacy policy for drivers who want their connectivity enabled
2 - Physical controls
3 - Reasonable price points
*this is still bad :)
I don’t know why the auto industry is so enthusiastic about weird new shifter designs, and I don’t know why the USDOT even entertains allowing them.
Remember the guy who played Chekov in those Star Trek fanfics made by JJ Abrams? He ran himself over with his car because it had a weird confusing newfangled gear shift.
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee “e-shift”. Fix the next year due to “customer satisfaction“, not manslaughter.
The NHTSA investigation ran for seven years and just closed a month ago! Wow.
Kinda found nothing wrong. Some changes made, complaints and accidents reduced.
What substances are automotive engineers exposed to in college that makes them design cars the way they do? Because I’m from the aviation industry and I FUCKING WANT SOME.
There are a shitload of cooks tending that broth.
To add to this PSA, on most cars the windows are breakable and if you remove the headrest there’s two metal prongs that can be used to break open the window and escape. If you’re ever in a situation where the only way out of the car is to break the window, remember the headrest behind your head can be used for this.
Tesla has an ‘auto-decide reverse or forward’ feature
_
It has a what?
When Auto Shift out of Park is enabled, Model 3 Is designed to automatically select Drive or Reverse. The touchscreen displays the selected drive mode when the driver’s door is closed and seat belt is buckled.
To override the selection, press the brake pedal and use the drive mode strip on touchscreen to shift into your desired drive mode (Drive, Reverse, Park; see Shift Using the Touchscreen).
Seems like a win for everyone involved
If the billionaire was supposed to live the invisible hand of the market would have saved them.
Why is this marked NSFW?
Non-Submersible Family Wealth
