Video evidence of a democrat voting down a minimum wage increase.
And somehow there always seems to be just enough of these “mOdErAteS” to kneecap a Democratic majority from doing what they promised when they get power.
Must be a coincidence 🤔
It’s why big business donates to both parties. Even democrats can be fooled by the corporate propaganda and they all got fundraising targets to meet if they want to keep their seat.
That’s usually how most narrow majorities work. Conspiratorial thinking doesn’t help push forward a progressive agenda.
It’s how things worked when they had a super majority too and backed off on legislating abortion rights.
The same Dem everyone dragged for being a Dem in name only almost as soon as she started voting dogshit completely contrary to what she ran on? The same Dem who literally left the party because she was never anything more than a corporate shill too corrupt even for the milquetoast neoliberals in the Democratic Party?
You forget that dems vote against it as well: Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan, Jon Tester, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Angus King…
You also forget that a $15/hour minimum wage isn’t even a living wage in current year and that’s what they voted against. Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Ah the DINOs. Well two are out at least.
Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Nobody’s deluding themselves. I’m pretty sure we all know full well that both sides fight for billionaires, it’s a question of degree and that degree matters. Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
IOW, it’s a start… it’s progress. I get that the progress is frustratingly slow. But once you have $15/hr you can keep incrementing it, especially at the state level.
Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Which bill are you referring to precisely? The Raise the Wage Act of 2019 was passed by the House but not taken up by the Senate, which at the time had an R majority. The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise. An important distinction here is that a number of the 8 democrats who voted to remove the amendment were doing so so that the pandemic relief part could pass. Their various reasons are outlined here. The amendment was a bit of a hail mary that few expected to even make it for purely procedural reasons. So this was a compromise… it wasn’t saying “we democrats don’t want a FMW increase”. There are a couple of DINOs that think that, sure, but two of them are going away.
There are other options here, such as HR 603 (2021-22) which hasn’t been taken up yet. Some dems oppose this because it takes too long to get to $15/hr. But of course we need a house majority to make any progress on that.
And notably, Biden via EO raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr.
The fight isn’t over. But if anything this just underlines the need for stronger majorities. Throwing up your hands and giving in because it didn’t happen right away is, well, not helpful.
It’s always some technicality or detail that forms a se master plan. No, they voted to remove it unlike everyone else.
You don’t understand how the American political system works. Full stop.
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system. By fixating these details completely divorced from the actual helping of others you are prepetuating that those details matter. You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system.
Enlighten me.
You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
No really, educate me.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
This is true. But is this where your understand of the American political system begins and ends?
The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise.
Because one unelected bureaucrat said so.
Their various reasons are outlined here.
Count the republican talking points about the minimum wage in that link.
Alright, fuck Republicans, I’m onboard with that.
Living wage, I’m onboard with that too.
Fuck landlords as well, I’m waay onboard with that.
How about we raise minimum wage, but also regulate the hell out of several sectors so that the wealthy don’t just consume whatever we raise it to with obscene inflation, otherwise what’s the point?
I had to scroll to the bottom to see this. This is what happens every time the wage increases. No point in increasing the wage when everyone else increases the price. Can’t agree with your statement more.
The prices are rising without a matching increase in wages. The increase in wages has no significant impact on the increase in prices.
It’s just about chasing a never ending profit that’s higher than last quarter’s profit. It was never about inflation, it’s the cancer that is unregulated capitalism.
Okay, but when you’re done griping about the inefficiency of humanity, we have some immediate solutions to immediate problems and all we need is some people to be on board and participate in good faith.
Did you just make a bunch of shit up pretending I said it?
No, I accused you of griping about the inefficiency of humanity. I’ll add some commas to make it easier for you.
Then you wouldn’t mind quoting me and explaining your moronic self. Show me where the bad comment hurt your feefees.
If there truly were no point then it wouldn’t have so much opposition from the wealthy.
You mean those guys who raise the price afterwards?
There is no correlation between wage increases and inflation. Firms will charge consumers the highest number that they can to reach supply:demand equilibrium already, if they could charge more then they would regardless of how much poor people get paid.
The actual effect of wage increase is a negative correlation with wealth concentration and a higher money velocity, and in some cases a lower number of jobs, but the good outweighs the bad.
Do you have a source for these findings? Because the last 20 years I’ve lived through minimum wage increases, each time it led to the increase in the cost of living.
Ah yes, all of those federal minimum wage increases in the last 20 years. The many great examples such as the raise to $7.25 in 2009 and also the uh… erm… No, that’s it, actually.
Then the average Price of Goods fell for the next 3 consecutive years. Also, the inflation rate from 2005-2009 was 13.24% while the rate from 2008-2012 was 8.77% according to that same consumer price index data, you can use a calculator for it HERE.
So either Wage Increases decrease inflation and cause prices of goods to fall, or it has no measurable effect in the face of many factors which do actually affect those things.
I’m simply asking for a source and your reaction is to be a dick? Smooth. Also, you’re only referring to the federal wage increase. States have had their own minimum wage increases throughout the years and each time, the cost of goods would rise, causing the boost in minimum wage to fall flat eventually - and that’s what the original guy was referring to.
Those guys who raise the price regardless of what happens.
Yeah, those guys - which is why there should be a limit on what those guys can and cannot do. Which is what’s being discussed.
Increasing the minimum wage is being discussed.
Pretending that inflation is caused by wage increases as an excuse to never raise the minimum wage is what Republicans do.
No, I responded to someone’s comment within this post, and that’s what is being discussed. And they, and myself, are for increased minimum wage, he said it plainly and I said I agreed with him. I also agreed that we should have restrictions placed to prevent the rich from increasing prices on everything else just because the wealthy know that everyone got a base raise. I never said inflation is caused by a wage increase, you came to that conclusion on your own. Republicans also dislike restrictions on the wealthy, which it sounds like you’re not a fan of it either…are you a Republican?
No need to increase prices if you convert all employees to perma-lancers and then eventually outsource the labor to another country.
Also, this article is written by a Wall Street trader and frequently says things like “A strong cohort of economists believe a national minimum wage increases inflation.” I’m not sure if this is the slam dunk you think it is. I’m not even against raising the minimum wage, but worker protections have to be done at the same time or else something’s got to give, and it’s not going to be profit.
We gonna let passage of broader more difficult to pass reform be a prerequisite for increasing the minimum wage?
Sounds like making the perfect the enemy of the good to me.
I would argue you need unions more. There’s no minimum wage in Iceland because we have people who negotiate it for us.
except democrats dont care either
start building a new system now.
We don’t have a minimum wage in Sweden. Wages are mostly dictated by negotiations between employers and unions.
Unions are important.
thats also the reason the ones in power hate them so much!
unions are definetly part of the solution.
Yeah. We have an ongoing thing between Tesla and IF Metall, with a bunch of other unions backing them up. Tesla refuses to sign collective labour agreements, and they’re penalising strikers by taking away stocks they’ve earned. It’s hardly surprising that Tesla doesn’t want to adhere to the Swedish model.
if they dont want to attend to the workers demands in sweden they can get fucked.
you’re gonna wanna skip the polls and start buying arms now if that’s your plan
Imagine my surprise when the election comes and goes, one way or another, and these online revolutionaries continue to do… nothing of substance. Just like 4 years ago, and the 4 years before that, and…
see the university protests and unionization if you want an example in the us. we are organizing protests and actions, but doing systemic change is a collective endeavour.
we actually need much more people to recognize its broken and be willing to help. that wont happen if all you do is begrudingly accept the progressively worsening lesser evils.
i’m all for forcibly restructuring society, but yeah… we know these people will do nothing.
i cant do that by myself. the rest of the people has to recognize the system is broken too.
You also can’t do it if the backslide into full totalitarian fascism reaches the “first they came for the socialists” line in the poem.
totalitarian fascism is already there, the crackdowns on the university protests are looking a lot like it. violence towards the protesters, a pat on the head on the fascist counterprotesters.
and honestly its looking a lot like trump will win anyway, at least that is what the polls are looking like.
we should be bracing for impact.
edit: how could i forget the treatment the us gives to the third world.
totalitarian fascism is already there
Fucking lmao
Fight for a better system but still vote democrats. Voting for the lesser evil gives you the lesser evil.
i agree, but at the point a genocidal maniac is the lesser evil, its way past time.
If young adults consistently and reliably voted at all, we wouldn’t be in a position choosing between this and seeing what “Israel should finish the job” means.
If there’s no corresponding regulation on rent prices, minimum wage is irrelevant.
Raise the minimum wage to a bazillion dollars? Great! Rent is now three hundred bajillion!
Raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, tie it to inflation… Use the $67billion a year spent on section 8 housing to build people houses which they end up owning, instead of shoveling all that money into slumlords’ pockets. Flood the housing market with supply to keep the prices down, even as people are able to afford more.
Raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, tie it to inflation…
I fully believe this would cause runaway inflation as wages only went up and up as the majority of americans have more money and thus prices can be raised. This cycle would constantly repeat as raised prices cause a raise in wage until the american dollar is worthless and we’re all making millions or billions of dollars a year which adjusted to inflation… is like today’s $15/hr. Interest rates for loans would skyrocket to an unfathomable percentage as double digit inflation remains y/y.
The billionaires would quickly turn into trillionaires and quadrillionaires as their investments rise in price proportional to inflation.
Inflation is happening anyway… Prices keep going up and up regardless of whether pay increases enough for people to afford them
I fully believe this would cause runaway inflation
https://fortune.com/2023/05/30/inflation-worker-pay-not-a-major-cause-fed-study/
https://archive.riksbank.se/Upload/WorkingPapers/WP_159.pdf (PDF Warning)
https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/does-increasing-minimum-wage-lead-higher-prices
Please don’t believe BS.
Your defeatism is toxic and not supported by evidence.
We could raise the minimum wage if it weren’t for republicans
Most brainwashed country, I swear to god.
Are you saying Republicans aren’t obstructing any kind of legislation, including their own?
No, I’m saying it’s ridiculously dumb that people thing democrats are heroic saviors when they do the bare minimum and maintain the status quo. I’m making fun of the trend that “if it weren’t for republicans the US would be a utopia”. But thanks for the strawman I guess.
I’m making fun of the trend that “if it weren’t for republicans the US would be a utopia”.
No one is making that claim. “If it weren’t for Republicans, the Democrats could pass useful legislation” is absolutely the case.
But thanks for the strawman I guess.
You say this immediately after using a straw man…
No one is making that claim. “If it weren’t for Republicans, the Democrats could pass useful legislation” is absolutely the case.
If it weren’t for Republicans, Democrats would find another excuse for not wielding the power we give them.
There’s also an argument to be made for building better cities and more affordable housing (both more affordable and more of it), as well as building a society where you don’t have to buy a car to participate. Life could be a lot more affordable if we didn’t arrange our policies to make it so expensive.
if you want affordable housing we need to de-commodify it and get the investors out. no more airbnb, no more one investor group owning 10s of thousands of single family homes. Dumping regular people’s money into this system, even if we give them a bunch extra, is only gonna drive prices even further up. The necessities of living are not speculation opportunities for the ultra rich.
Except the Dems have controlled the house, Senate and Presidency since 2009…
I mean. 2021-2023 Biden had House and Senate majorities…
Did I miss something?
Was it that as soon as we had a majority just enough Dems said they wouldn’t vote with the party? And then party leaders saying “welp, trying would be pointless”?
Is that what I missed?
Don’t get me wrong, it should work the way your meme makes it sound. But unfortunately the rich bought out both parties awhile ago.
It’s why Biden and the DNC have their PAC, the Biden Victory Fund, that coordinates directly with the candidate and party, and you can give up to a million!
Like fucking clockwork. Goddamn you’re so predictable.
There’s a reason the right have earned the label of the poorly educated. This guy doesn’t realize a simple majority in the senate isn’t enough to move legislation.
It’s covered endless in the political news cycles but morons cannot retain the information and spout the most banal nonsense as if they’re uncovering some grand conspiracy that they aline have discovered.
If such people could feel shame they would still spread their bullshit because they don’t realize how far down left side of intelligence the curve they are.
It would be entertaining if they weren’t voters.
This guy doesn’t realize a simple majority in the senate isn’t enough to move legislation.
Democrats could have changed that any time they had control of the Senate with a simple majority vote.
They chose not to.
Lot of dems voted against it too
Do you consider 7 out of 48 Dems to be a lot? Versus every single republican?
What percentage of Sanders supporters do you imagine voted for Trump?
Do you suppose it’s higher than the percentage of Democrats in the Senate who were willing to go on record as hating workers by voting to kill the minimum wage increase?
Because Sanders supporters are still catching shit for the loss Clinton earned, regardless of who they actually voted for in 2016.
If we’re expected to vote like the party wants, why aren’t legislators?
Nice whataboutism.
I suppose it makes little sense to you that I was comparing centrists not getting what they want (Clinton’s coronation) to centrists getting exactly what they all want (no increase to the minimum wage.).
The 2021 federal minimum wage vote had 41 Yea votes from Democrats, 1 from Independent. 7 Democrats and 1 Independent voted Nay. Every single Republican voted Nay.
So, honest question that comes of my own ignorance. Is a minimum wage supposed to be livable? I always figured minimum wage jobs were for people like teens who didn’t need to afford housing.
Yea so that’s the argument that people who don’t agree with making a liveable wage give. In reality there is just a great group of people who are only eligible for minimum wage or close to minimum wage jobs. So a fair bit of adults that are even trying to support their children.
So I think we can all agree that especially if 2 parents are working 40 hours a week should be able to at least live a decent life in a Western country. And that’s mainly in to question here. For teens you could always have a lower minimum wage until they’re older. As they have in plenty countries.
Does this address your question properly?
I always figured minimum wage jobs were for people like teens who didn’t need to afford housing.
Nothing in min wage law adjusts your wages based on whether or not you’re someone else’s dependent.
“Supposed to be” in whose opinion?
It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By “business” I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt, making his intentions pretty clear.
Wouldn’t raising minimal wage just raise prices higher without dealing with the underlying problems?
Prices are already getting higher, and we don’t have other solutions.
In Australia, minimum wage is quite high and so are the costs of many goods, but things like Amazon and flight tickets are much cheaper comparatively
That doesn’t answer my question. Prices might be high, but when you just give people more money, they will grow higher. Why wouldn’t they?
That’s just greed. They’re doing that already. Prices right now are crazy high, BUT guess what else is? PROFITS. Record profits everywhere. That shit should be illegal.
Are the record profits still record after being adjusted for inflation?
Money is worth less now than it was this time last year.
Let’s say a profit of $1000 last year is equivalent to a profit of $1200 this year.
Have you made $200 more this year? Well, technically yes but it doesn’t quite have the same purchasing power as it would have if you made it last year instead
Yes, record profits after inflation. Don’t simp for the corporations, they don’t give a fuck about you. They’d rather see you die than give you a penny.
There is a mentality from Boomers and passed along to Gen X that full-time work does not entitle you to anything. That there are just millions of jobs in America that shouldn’t be required to pay people enough to live in the community they work, or anywhere for that matter. As long as that mentality aligns with the goals of capitalism, nothing will change.
You will hear all the excuses in the world justifying low-paying jobs. “Just get a better job if you don’t like the pay” “Those jobs are only for high school kids” “If they raise the pay they will raise the prices” The list goes on. None of them make a ton of sense if you explore the idea any further.
The idea of working hard and being, eventually, rewarded with good pay has been dead for decades. It is widely accepted that the easiest way to increase your pay is moving to a different company, which speaks a lot about longevity in this late-stage capitalism era most of us are living in today.
It’s pretty funny to me to see Americans claiming that a full-time job should be sufficient to have your basic needs met - as if the unemployed should live in dire poverty.
I would fully support some kind of UBI or someway to ensure that those who can’t work can live semi-independent lives. But in order for there to be money to support that system, a majority of people do have to work.
The alternative is some kind of utopian society that has yet to exist. If we make it to Star Trek and not Blade Runner I will fully embrace the idea that everyone can have all of their needs covered without the requirement for others to indirectly support that through labor and taxes. But until then, improving workers ability to support themselves also improves the ability to support those who cannot.
Where I’m from there has been a minimum income guarantee since 1965. In fact, the constitution says the government should ensure every resident has sufficient income to live. A single-person household with someone who is permanently unemployed receives about $1500 per month (you receive additional money per child). This is the lowest income a legal resident is allowed to have. Every rich European country has a similar system, though most opt to cover rent for the poorest, and give a smaller amount for the remaining expenses.
It turns out that willingness to work isn’t an issue, because most people don’t actually like to do nothing. The employment rate is far higher than in the US.
I agree that people sbould be able to live comfortably with their job, even a low skill one. But the idea that raising wages will mean increase prices does check out though. That, or people with higher skill jobs will be paid less and then they will be the ones to suffer the most.
Imo, we should aim to make things more efficient, thus cheaper because they actually became cheaper. E.g. solving the housing crisis => cheaper rent. Public healthcare => cheaper healthcare. Better schools => better citizens that leave less trash around => less expensive trash management. More public transport, less need to buy or do maintenance to a car etc. And so on and so forth.
Minimum wages can’t fix this problem (they can fix others), they’re just a bandaid on a severed limb.
This is how brainwashed capitalism has made us. In a society that is purely driven by money the thought that giving people their fair share means my prices might increase. Instead, we should fix every societal problem first before doing the one thing that would actually work.
We have record inflation now, is it because major cities have passed $15+ minimum wage? Not at all, not even a little. Further proof that a pandemic has a thousand times more influence than simply paying people more.
Oh and the horrible thought a “high” skilled laborer might be paid less shudder. Like a doctor might only get paid $90k instead of $150k. How could they survive!?
What other convenient tropes should we trot out to disfranchise the only real solution of just paying people what they deserve. Oh that’s right they don’t deserve it because they are lazy or low-skilled or any of the other bullshit excuses we have been force fed our entire lives.
Eh I think you missed my point entirely. And, by the way, being a doctor is simply put very hard, that’s why they’re paid more than people who flip burgers who just flip burgers, and doctors are also rarer and I believe you want to have a good doctor don’t you? Because he’s simply going to get up and leave to another place where he is paid properly if you don’t pay him a good wage. Also, you don’t make any actual good points in your long answer.
Pleaso go study economics. Thank you.
I didn’t miss your point because it was sophomoric in nature and therefore underdeveloped. Your belief in the meritocracy just shows how ridiculously brainwashed you are. It is okay, most of us are one way or another I suppose.
Society might not be meritocratic, but at the end of the day life is… You’re just bitter you don’t deserve better.
You are really reaching there Mr. I buy the rhetoric hook line and sinker. It is clear who is bitter here and it is not the accomplished father of four who owns a million dollar house. Good talking with you.
It is not what you own that makes you an accomplished person
You guys are atleast at the “both sides”. My people are fully convinced(brain washed) that far right is the only way.
“Both sides” is a position taken only by edgy idiots who are too lazy to do an iota of research.
“Both sides” is a strawman argument employed by people who like the status quo against people who are discontent with same.
And nothing else.
