• Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Why can’t we just vote for the biggest leftist party with the most ballot access? Ya know, the green party

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      3 months ago

      I will generally not recommend people vote for or support the greens because they represent a directionless triangulation with no vision.

      I’ve had the opportunity to vote green in every national election they’ve been in and even chosen them a few times and they’ve always let me down.

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        2 months ago

        It’s that kind of attitude that weakens the left. If every leftist were involved with the greens, we could create a truly revolutionary party.

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          2 months ago

          perhaps by changing the party into something entirely different from within. of course that would require a lot of work to overcome 25 years of institutional inertia, let alone a big job of completely changing the party’s strategy and operation.

          i would even make the argument that the greens aren’t left, since they aren’t calling for worker control of the means of production and historically that’s been the bare minimum to be considered left but using the french seating chart hundreds of years later has its own issues.

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            2 months ago

            Well I don’t see nearly as much ballot access from the PSL or any other minor party. Maybe we should make a new party that’ll lose popularity to the next one in 5 years. No party will ever be leftist enough for leftists in this country and that pretentious mindset will keep us weak forever.

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              2 months ago

              How does that saying go? “If ballot access were candy and nuts we’d all be eating steak!”

              There are absolutely ultras in America but it’s not a position necessary to recognize that the Green Party isn’t leftist. I’d say at the very least the greens can’t be called leftist for the same reason the dubious moniker “progressive” isn’t any marker of the same: their platform is explicitly not left.

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      3 months ago

      propaganda from both parties keep people at the bottom of the juice pitcher unable to breath fresh air and there are too few not drinking the punch to do anything

      huge crab effect going on here

      like when you go crabbing and put all the crabs in the bucket and the crabs that almost get out get stopped by their peers

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        3 months ago

        It’s not cool that Americans are as dumb as crabs in this analogy. If every leftist just got behind the green party we might stand a chance. But everyone wants their own unique ideology represented.

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          3 months ago

          If you think Jill Stein represents any sort of real leftist ideology, I have a number of bridges to offer you.

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            2 months ago

            I didn’t say that I did think that. What I do think is that leftists should leverage the biggest third party that’s the closest to representing their core values into the party that they want. It has nothing to do with Jill Stein and more to do with uniting under one generalized leftist party instead of constantly fracturing into weaker more specific parties.