Christ almighty
Apart from offsides, since there’s no input from the on-field ref for deciding that.
The only thing VAR officials should say to the on-field ref is “go to the monitor to review” and then play the offence at full speed from various angles. Cut the slowing down and still frame images when the refs at the monitor. Give the ref the views they need to determine their own call.
Less is more.
It’s as though the PGMOL want things be as complicated and as controversial as possible.
Imagine, under what you’re proposing, within 2 mins, the on field refs can make an educated call and then defend that call post match should there be an issue.
Doesn’t work, you need slow motion and freeze frames to properly assess a lot of these things.
Can’t even explain how much I disagree with this. You show freeze frame of impacts or slowing down challenges, it makes everything look 10x worse than it does in real speed.
There’s numerous times this season where the ref goes to the monitor and a still image shows them the challenge giving them a biased opinion before showing them anything else. A tackle will always look way worse when you slow it down or show a still image. Look at big hits in the NFL or NHL, in realtime they look bad but when you slow it down and see the impact it typically always looks way worse then real speed.
By using various angles in real speed you can see everything you need. You see the impact from various angles to assess how dangerous the play really was.
Yeah, you need both. I think a lot of people misunderstand what the pitchside review is for, though.
The point of the image the referee sees on the pitch side monitor is that it’s the VAR’s best attempt to convince him he made a mistake on the initial call. It’s the case for the prosecution, so to speak.
If you want to give him a neutral perspective it will take a lot longer as he reviews from several angles. He’ll still need slow motion so he can see where a player’s foot is, whether he got the ball first, when exactly contact was made etc.
Yeah, you need both. I think a lot of people misunderstand what the pitchside review is for, though.
Including the referees.
I’m with you 100% slow mo needs to go for the on field referee! The Var officials can view in slow mo if they want & send him to look but it must be real time for him so many decisions in slow motion look clear and obvious but in real time they’re not half as bad as they look.
I disagree.
The referee sees both when they go to the monitor - they see a slow mo and the tackle in real time.
If a tackle is bad, it’s going to look bad in real time and in slow mo.
This is ubsurd, I guess we know why they won’t let us hear the audio. Wonder what are chatting about?
“Hey mate, I’ve got 50 on there being a red card in this game. It’s a bit soft but if you don’t mind giving it, I’ll buy you a pint”
I love the idea that while the whole world is speculating over the intricacies of their decision making and rule interpretation, even questioning whether or not big money fixing is occurring these blokes are just doing ther best to pass the time making silly bets for a laf
I mean it seems more accurate then them being consistently incompetent like they’ve shown for seasons now and never improving anything.
Articles and reports like this doesn’t help either, you have to consult another company to know that they need clarity, accuracy and not to talk about stuff that doesn’t relate to the issue at hand? Surely that should be the basics and done when they brought VAR in and not years down the line.
I’m not a conspiracy theory guy but some conspiracies relating to the PGMOL seem to be more believable then them just being brain dead morons.
Great, blind leading the blind.
Fantastic news. Refs will hopefully erase at least this part of the errormaking that is endemic in the sport.
3 match ban for all of them for pointing out VAR was wrong
I mean you’d think they could’ve figured this out just from listening to rugby and cricket reviews, but maybe this is one small step in the right direction.
It blows my mind… The refereeing in international rugby is what the prem should be aiming to replicate. totally transparent , for all to see and hear. How have they not ???
Did they really need another industry specialists to explain/demonstrate this?
How can the same clarity and professionalism be present in another English sport (Cricket), but not in the far richer PL?
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Player or Umpire Review option, each has distinct hand sign
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Player review capped at 2 per innings, and 15 sec clock after any umpire decision, before the window to challenge it closes
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As soon as sign made, the 3rd umpire controlling DRS (Decision Review System), turns mic on, broadcast to everyone on field and on air: ‘Umpire/Player review for X, Original decision was Y’
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Then conducts video analysis, all the time mic on, on-air. Gives reasoning and decision as per laws of game. Asks on field umpire to reverse or uphold decision, AND on-field screen shows entire process and decision in writing.
You’re telling me no one in professional football ever saw this in professional cricket?
Or does PGMOL not want oversight and responsibility?
Cricket has the advantage of being largely objective. The ball touched the bat or it didn’t. The ball pitched in line or it didn’t. The batsman made his ground or he didn’t. When the tech fails, like spotting if fingers are under a grounded ball, then you still get controversy.
Football has so much subjectivity in the rules that developing a simple system for it is hard. What is a fair tackle, what is excessive force, what is interfering with play, what was a goal scoring opportunity?
It’s not about objective vs subjective rules.
The specific post is about communication howlers in VAR.
It’s about process which tennis, rugby, cricket have all shown for years to be very transparent and meticulous.
Football’s refusal to benchmark and adapt these SOPs is the problem.
Not the fact that a ‘reckless tackle worthy of red vs yellow’ is a subjective call (which it is) - follow a transparent process, mic up, and own your decisions.
PGMOL makes calls and then gives hare brained explanations to protect its ilk.
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Guess all that TV money never made it to PGMOL.
Jesus this has been a shit show from the beginning
This may be mentioned in the article (it’s paywalled for me), but a number of industries have adopted aviation techniques to improve clarity of communication between coworkers and verification of completed tasks through checklists similar to those used by pilots.
Am I really the only one who thinks the VAR communication is - okay - given the high pressure they’re under?
I would think so.
The audio I’ve heard released so far seems to be akin to the old chimps and typewriters saying.
What about all the other referees in other sports who don’t talk like they’re with their mate at the pub?
I am worried for the BA pilots sanity after talking with the PL refs tbh.
Sad.
Ideal thing would be get Pre-School teachers to help refs communicate clearly.
When I was in emergency services, we used the BASS principle (which we nicked from the military).
Brevity
Accuracy
Speed
SimplicityAnd leave no room for ambiguity.
Well done boys, good process.
Thanks dicko
Nice one oli