Football is finished! I love watching football, it’s my passion (as well as playing but age means I can’t as much nowadays). I watch about 7/8 games at the weekend, mostly premier league but also LaLiga, Serie A and Bundesliga. Then during the week I watch the European cup and Europa league. But the refs and the ridiculous rules are ruining the game. Last night in the Fulham game and tonight watching Newcastle vs PSG the refs and VAR have given the stupidest penalty decisions. I’m really starting to lose my love for the game. I don’t care who won or drew the game but the integrity of the game has gone. I hate it and it’s just been getting worse season after season. This is probably more of a rant but I just feel let down by the game I love to watch

  • noobchee@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    After how shameless everyone was with the Gordon goal against arsenal, can’t say I have any sympathy lool

    VAR gives, VAR takes, happens to every team

    That handball was even removed from the rule book, should never have been given

    • serennow@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Hang on - Arsenal fans assured me they weren’t bed wetting over losing, they wanted referees/VAR to improve. Then there’s comments like this showing the reality….

      • noobchee@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Well they were lying, and waiting for this moment to rub it all back in shamelessly, so yes, there will be many enjoying this moment and saying “fuck em” as was said the other way around

  • midas22@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    And this was the World Cup final referee Marciniak who actually double checked the handball situation in slow motion repeatedly… and he still gave the penalty.

    I mean, it was a text book example of a close distance deflection from his body up to his arm in a natural position. Next game they will change the rules again depending on which oil team has the most money or something.

    • BrickEnvironmental37@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      They gave the correct decision via the IFAB guidelines. Blame the guidelines.

      The PGMOL guidelines are different because they go all Brexity and believe they should implement laws in their own way.

      • midas22@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        The arm was not moving towards the ball and it was in a natural position justifiable by the player’s body movement so it still shouldn’t have been a penalty.

        Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

        It is an offence if a player:

        • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

        • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. **A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation.** By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

        • scores in the opponents’ goal: (1) directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper or (2) immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
      • Ok-Photo6387@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Agree. I’m a Toon fan but the reality is this was the rule from IFAB. The refs don’t like it, the players can’t stand it, and the fans despise it. But it is what it is.

    • Suspicious_Master@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Someone on soccer subreddit pointed that it’s clearly a decision from UEFA to whistle these hands, with as exemple the man utd game last week

  • WestwardCycles10456@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    He had his hands around his throat and his fist up his arse and simultaneously only pushed him to the ground a little bit… so no foul on Gabriel. Goal given. Good process lads.

  • TouristTricky@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I’ve been saying before it was even implemented that VAR is a classic “solution in search of a problem”.

    OK, refs occasionally got things wrong. We lived with it. It gave us something to discuss and argue with one another.

    Football has always been a wonderful human endeavor and humans are fallible.

    Who in their right mind would trade the flow of the game, the celebration of a goal, for perfection in offsides or foul calls?

    And of course we haven’t got perfection. There’s never perfection. Perfection is unattainable.

    VAR must go.

    • EliachTCQ@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      You got short memory mate. Before var the discussions after bad ref calls were fucking endless. Nobody celebrated humans being fallible lol

      • TouristTricky@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        I can’t imagine anyone prefers this mess to the one we had before VAR.

        We can’t celebrate goals properly. The flow of the game is constantly interrupted. The determination of calls based on millimeters and body parts is endless.

        What did we get in return?

        The arguments about bad calls by humans is now replaced by arguments about bad calls by humans and technology.

        I’ll take the game I grew up on rather than this shambles.

        • EliachTCQ@alien.topBEnglish
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          11 months ago

          I prefer correct calls being made 100% of the time. This is not the case now, but going forward VAR is the only way to do that, it just needs to be better.

    • Honigbrottr@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Lol no. There were too many important games decided by human error. As a Bayern fan there come 2 examples to mind: Bayern vs Madrid 2017 and Bayern vs Dortmund 2014 cup final

      Both of these were heavily influenced by massive mistakes from the referee. VAR does to many mistakes and that should be fixed. Football should be a fair game following the rules. Specially because goals are so important there cant be mistakes to either give or give not a goal.

      • TouristTricky@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Human error is just that, human. Now we have human error amplified by technology. As I responded to someone else, I much prefer the brilliant game I grew up with to this Frankenstein monster.

        Over time, bad calls even out. That’s just the laws of probability. I’m sure there are legions of other Bundesliga fans who feel hard done by calls that went in Bayern’s favor, right?

        This mess hasn’t really improved anything but has cost us so much.

  • DarkKirby14@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I think it’d go a long way to helping is if the refs were allowed(like in MLS) to stick with their calls and not have to overturn it every time they go

  • holdsap@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Var has some issues but still a million times better than before

    Could be improved sure…