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          You mean all of America. Because it’s not as simple as that. We have agreements and contracts and alliances we can’t just get rid of at the drop of a hat without consequences.

          We can all stand with Palestine - and yes, I do - but do you also want that happening to the US itself? You really wanna fuck with that hornet’s nest?

          A vote against Biden is a vote for Fuckface 45. And he’s worse.

          You want that? You want Fuckface 45 again? Say it.

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          It’s funny because at this stupid stage in America, not voting for biden this November is an active vote for Trump and the redoubling and active support of Israel’s genocide.

          “Yay we sure helped the Palestinians by not voting for someone who continued support of a country doing genocide but has been able to be swayed away from them and causing someone who wants to outspokenly kill all Palestinians to have control and kill many times more Palestinians.” Bastions of morality…

          Vote for others in the primary, but vote for the D in the main election.

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        This is a dumb take bred from perceived superiority.

        actions breed habits

        Lmao “I got to the polls in November and my muscle memory took over and I voted uncommitted in the general election, since I did it once 8 months ago I couldn’t resist”. This is like Dunning-Kreuger for life in general.

        Or is it a “just don’t do anything” enlightened centrist take?

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          Ivan Cantu got over 150k signatures for a stay of execution, and he’s still dead. I’m not a centrist, far from it. I’m a progressive.

          But I also understand game theory, psychology, and sociology (all on an admittedly amateur-ish level), as well as how First Past the Post voting works in the US. I’m 100% for a cease fire in Gaza, humanitarian aid, the Israel government to be tried for war crimes, etc. But how YOU are doing it has shown time and again that it doesn’t produce results. Oh, so I guess I know a little history too.

          So, for instance, you remember 2020 when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood in the streets and then the world’s largest protest broke out? What happened?
          What was accomplished via those protests? Did Police Brutality stop? What about the more pertinent Police Brutality of POC? Did Qualified Immunity cease? How many bad apples are still in the bunch? Police unions get busted? We got a couple of "I’m sorry"s, and a fucking street naming.


          You see, while collective action CAN do things (not much), you need to understand that this vote ain’t gonna do fucking squat. You got a 100k+ votes for uncommitted? Yay. Out of 330+ million people in the US. Less than 1%

          The general election has been called. And either Biden or Fuckface 45 is gonna win. By recruiting to third party, you’re swaying more people to:

          • NOT vote for Biden at all (which is a vote for Fuckface 45)
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          • not vote AT ALL in the general election in November (which is a vote for Fuckface 45, because the Rs always vote)

          I’m not voting for Fuckface 45 in the General Election. Are you?


          You wanna stop the genocide today? Take to the streets with a gun in hand. Take to Israel with a gun in hand. Take to a senator’s house with a gun in hand. Don’t self immolate, you’ll just kill one of your comrades in arms.
          While I don’t think everyday life should ever have a gun in hand, when you want IMMEDIATE political / wartime change, non-violence solves nothing. (this goes for protests against police brutality, bring a gun - take the mask mandate protests, they were armed, they got what they wanted)

          But if you want gradual policy change: vote local, campaign local, work with a local candidate, etc.
          Otherwise, you’re just trying to find your friends, and you’re making enemies of possible allies.

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        Who is this “they?” Anyone who is voting “uncommitted” has enough brain cells to know both candidates are bad for the world, which means they have enough brain cells to know Biden is an obvious choice in a Biden v Trump matchup.

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            Do you understand that in the primary there is no contest between Trump and Biden? Biden’s going to get the Democratic nomination anyway, so voting uncommitted in the primary has no negative consequences in the actual election that happens in November?

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                What mentality? The one I’m describing is the “Biden sucks but Trump is way worse” mentality. I don’t see how that results in Trump being elected

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                  The “Biden is complicit and we aren’t voting for him” mentally. Primary or not, this “movement” can gain a lot more momentum going into November than is desired.

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                    People voted uncommitted in an effort to tell Biden that he needed to improve his policies, not to say that they’re gonna not vote. If they weren’t gonna vote, they wouldn’t have voted.