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    Here’s what’s changed

    • The market has collapsed into a few companies. That means that monopolistic forces are in nearly full force
    • Labor unions have been severely weekend. In the 60s almost out of fear companies were practicing “corporate charity” to try and keep employees from unionizing. They’ve lost that fear.
    • Regulations around corporate stock price manipulation have been all but eliminated. Buybacks use to be illegal because they allow a company to artificially inflate their stock completely unrelated to the actual performance of the company.
    • Social safety nets have been gutted or underfunded.
    • Public education has been destroyed. We used to have a fairly robust public university system that’s been uber privatized with funding reduced to almost nothing.
    • Hospital systems have consolidated as has insurance agencies which not only drives up the price of medical care, it drives down the wages of doctors and nurses while keeping them as minimally staffed as possible. This translates into terrible care that fucks you over when you need any medical work done.
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        Pretty much, it’s the very natural consequence of a deregulation and the an-cap philosophy. We’ve seen this before in america during the 1900s. It’s the whole reason Teddy and FDR ended up getting elected.

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            We can’t because we have corporate propaganda news outlets that will work tirelessly to frame this “new FDR” as a fascist communist racist woke elite conman.

            Pick your outlet and that will determine the words chosen to disparage them.

            Hell just look at the supposed “liberal media” treating Bernie Sanders when he looked to be taking the lead in the primaries, suddenly every story was “Bernie loves Castro! Bernie loves Cuba! Be afraid! He likes communist stuff! Boo! Ahhh! Oh no it’s Bernie!”

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            You’re about to elect Trump again. I shouldn’t worry about there not being enough bad economic news.

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      First and foremost you should mention the corporate tax cuts. How can corporations afford consolidation and other malicious shit they do? Their tax bill was cut in half. And their executive income tax rate was cut dramatically.

      Rather than paying their employees, they give massive bonuses to their executives and save the rest for buying out competitors or attracting suitors.

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        It’s not so much the corporate tax rate that did it, it’s capital gains tax (and especially how it’s implemented) that’s the big problem.

        The fact that capital gains isn’t treated as regular income tax creates all sorts of really bad incentives. It means that executives are generally primarily paid in stock which means they are incentivized to push the value of that stock up. And since everyone making those decisions are also primarily paid in stock they’ll authorize things like stock buybacks to boost their own personal wealth.

        5 regulations I’d make to fix this problem.

        1. No executives can be paid with equity.

        2. The maximum salary can not be more than 10x the lowest salary in a company.

        3. Tax capital gains as regular income.

        4. Bring back the 90% top income tax bracket

        5. Introduce a wealth tax. Perhaps 3% for a networth over 1 billion.

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      So, republicans happened.

      Edit- before you tar and feather me, democrats went along. But all of those have been articles of faith in the GOP.

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        I mostly blame Reagan and Nixon. They were the harbingers of modern republican governmental stupidity. Nixon courted the racists out of the democrat party and Regan push dumbass deregulation. Bigotry + being the whipping boys for rich people is basically the only principles republicans stand on today.

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        Civil Rights happened.

        Once it became clear to racist whites that Black Americans would have full access to the social programs that they enjoyed, they decided that they’d rather burn all those social programs to the ground before they’d share them. This is the basis of the modern Republican party, so you weren’t wrong.

        Incidentally, the scenario in this original post was never true for almost all black Americans.

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          Aren’t there a lot more social programs today than there were in the period the OP refers to?

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      While all of this is true, I’ll also add that this was an unrepeatable condition: WWII gutted Europe and the US was untouched. All of perks of the past society were part of an unsustainable economic bubble. USA citizens have never quite realized that.

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        The only part I would disagree with you on is that in the past 80 years productivity has grown by a huge margin, and if that translated into increased wages (as opposed to increased corporate profits) as it once did I think that quality of life would not be so unsustainable.

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      While I agree with all of that and more, the world has gotten much more complex over the years. It’s not a bad thing to try to raise the bar on minimum education for everyone.

      Also, for the part of it due to global outsourcing … there’s only so much protectionism can give you without ruining importer/exporters. A better approach is to try to bring a more educated workforce than offered by cheap third world labor

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      Regulations around corporate stock price manipulation have been all but eliminated. Buybacks use to be illegal because they allow a company to artificially inflate their stock completely unrelated to the actual performance of the company.

      In that case, once a company sold stock to investors, they could never recoup it then? The only way for that to happen would be a single person or group organized to buy up a lot to get a controlling stake?