The president has been going after his presumptive 2024 opponent with a little more venom than usual
Joe Biden is taking it to Donald Trump.
The president’s campaign responded to Trump’s wild press conference in New York on Monday by slamming the former president as “weak and desperate — both as a man and a candidate for President.”
“He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have,” the statement read, adding that “America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”
Definitely true.
But America also deserves someone better than Biden.
We have two shit tier options, and no matter who wins, America loses.
Cut the both-sides shit. Trump is a convicted sex criminal and fraud who wants to end democracy. There is objectively a better choice between the two.
the only valid both sides is they are both way too old for the job. 1 old guy will give you the chance to vote for someone else in 4 years, the other will not. 1 guy has a record, tho spotty, looking out for your middle class, the other …
One guy isn’t good enough and the other guy is hard to adequately express how bad he is
What is it with all the people who can’t understand that better doesn’t mean good?
Biden is good, he’s just not great. To get someone better you need democracy and there’s a high chance we will lose that under Trump.
The comment seems more intended to push voters away from Biden and toward an RFK option than convincing anyone to vote for Trump. It’s stupid and easy to attack back, but we also need to be careful about what the strategy is.
It’s just someone disillusioned by America’s bullshit Imo.
This is the problem when there is no nuance to discussion or understanding. Everyone should vote for Biden—that doesn’t mean it’s great that we have two octogenarians duking it out in a “no YOURE more senile!” fight. And that’s before you get into the whole, y’know, participating in genocide thing.
Biden is a terrible choice to have to make…but we all have to make it.
I think if those are your choices, you don’t deserve to be a country.
If you ever find yourself supporting genocide in order to “save yourselves” from a worse candidate, you should stop and look at the system you’re choosing to engage with.
Sometimes the system needs to be rebuilt.
The country is genocidal. The money behind and propping up the country are genocidal. The massive machinery that is favors, power, exploitation, state violence, and spying IS modern life under capitalism. Voting won’t change that.
But. It will change how trans people are treated, how vicious we are to the poor, how destructive we are of what little environment we have left, how much we wield that unbelievable power and might to punish…whoever.
Yeah, it’s a shitty decision. None of us are happy about it. None of us want this. But there is a worse option. Things aren’t so straightforward. Modern life means every dollar/euro/peso/whatever you spend is hurting someone for profit. “If those are your choices, you don’t deserve to be a person.” There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. There is no ethical vote to cast in a superpower. There is no ethical action in modern life because the system that put that option in front of you is built on exploitation. What’s the answer? Kill yourself? Think.
I don’t know the answer. Nobody does. It’s a personal question. I’m glad you’re asking yourself and thinking about it. That’s my goal.
This is something anyone with self awareness has been wrestling with our whole lives. The problem is the debate is bogged down by factionalism and thus the death of nuance. The answer is always “team ____!” Anything straying from that, like questioning the role in geopolitics or capitalism/neoliberalism, is seen as “being for the other side.” Which is so. Incredibly. Insane.
And that void is taken up by “well then don’t vote” people. And that…can’t be the answer either when vulnerable populations hang in the balance. It really is a no-win situation.
And that is because you’re either submitting to an oppressive, unfair, unjust system, or you’re holding your own “purity” of being above it up as more important than the people who’d be hurt by the more harmful option if you don’t sacrifice that “purity” for people others’ well-being.
Modern life does not lend itself to simple answers without caveats and sacrifices and, unfortunately, siding with people you really don’t agree with. But being “above it” only to be able to say you’re above it is so incredibly selfish and a decision that only people privileged enough to not be oppressed or have their existence be up for debate can make. You’re either the manipulated or the oppressed. The trick is to be as aware and informed as possible, weigh the ramifications of any and all decisions—as well as the entire cascading flowchart of repurcussions from any and all decisions—and do the best you can. Casting stones at people trying to navigate this supremely unjust and undesirable position doesn’t make any sense. We are all trying to do what we think is best for the most people—those of us that care enough to think of others. Every decision is going to come with a slate of distasteful knock-on effects. That’s just the bitter pill of modern life.
No. You’re not here to have a discussion and make people ‘think’ about anything. You’re here to insert enough Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt into the process to corrupt it to your ends. You’re here to exploit our disdain for the fact that we can’t seem to get a better choice than what we have right now to steer us in the direction of the tyrannical Mussolini-quoting, Hitler-worshipping wannabe tinpot dictator. You and all your other friends who are pushing this nonsense that Biden is somehow as bad as or even worse than Trump, bringing up his very frankly 20th Century approach to the problems of Israel as some indication that he’s a monster that makes Trump look heroic in an attempt to steer us to wasting our votes on a third party that has no chance in hell of getting more votes than Trump if you can’t get us to vote for Trump outright to ‘tear down the system’. And some of us are calling you and yours out on this…
Trump isnt a convicted sex criminal… and the other guy has some serious sexual allegations too, outside of being creepy around kids
He was found liable for sexual abuse in NY civil court and fined $5 million for it.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit-battery-defamation-verdict/index.html
The judge made it very clear Trump is a rapist, saying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
Biden has never been charged in civil or criminal court for any sexual impropriety. It is simply a lie that there are any serious sexual allegations against him.
He was not convicted of rape.
And if you compare what biden allegedly did to what trump allegedly did, Bidens accusation seems much more accurate. It actually had colloborating evidence at the time, vs no evidence against trump.
The judge in the case said Trump was convicted of rape. There are no credible accusations against Biden. You are repeating lies.
Please tell me one of the juror names in the trump rape conviction.
Why dont you believe women when they claim they are raped?
The jurors are anonymous as is common in trials where the defendant has a history of calling for violence against people he views as his enemies.
I believe women who take their rapists to court.
Jurors are allowed to disclose if they were on a case. So you are saying that there was a case he was convicted in by a jury?
Gotcha, so women that are too embarrassed, or dont want the public scrutiny are just liars then? Really?!?
Are you wanting to compare the two rape cases?
No thank you. I don’t like to engage too much with people who can’t be bothered to proof-read their own posts.
Nor do I enjoy discussions with people who are so assured of their own self-righteousness that they ignore documented facts in lieu of their own personal opinions.
It just so happens that I also don’t much enjoy arguing with people who have a documented public history of arguing in bad faith.
Oh yeah, i am totally the one ignoring facts…
It’s not both-sides to say that Genocide Joe sucks ass. Yes, Trump is worse. But Biden is still awful. I don’t say that in some effort to appease the right or sound somehow neutral, I say it because it’s true.
Nah, you say it to sap unity and make people stay home from voting.
Your vibe is the same as the girls who say they bluntly “tell it as they see it” in their dating profile, but anyone with any relationship experience knows that means they’re completely willing to make things toxic as fuck because they’ll just vomit their selfish so called truth anywhere without caring about consequences or how it destroys, because it serves some sort of other motivation for them.
Using words to encourage people to embrace hopelessness and not vote is a propaganda technique to put Trump back in the Whitehouse, and him being there weakens the nation so immensely and catastrophically that it’s extremely attractive to cash and weapons poor enemies to plop someone in front of a cheap computer to spread propaganda to attempt to destroy a nation from within. People who can’t fight the US with military might will use words instead.
In short, your words are not neutral. You’re either what is called a useful idiot, an ordinary person who swallowed outside propaganda whole and does the work of other interests here, or you’re a knowing perpetrator.
I hope people here use whatever skills they picked up in English class however many years ago to think about not just the exact words of the poster I’m responding to, but why they posted this thing at this moment, their motivations beyond what they claim they are, and the effects of an appeal to truth on a reader and how that can influence perception even when the thing said isn’t actually necessarily true or contains such a small flake of some truth that it is effectively turns into a lie when put beside the bigger and more vast and complicated truths.
People shouldn’t stay home on election day just because Biden is a terrible piece of shit. People should go at the very least to vote down ballot, if not to vote against Trump. Nor should people feel hopeless. There are so many avenues to pursue outside of simple electoral politics (again, do vote). But I’m not going to cave to this loyalty test bullshit. Also the money is good, praise Mother Russia.
Yes. That is literally what I said.
Look, I agree that “telling it like it is” can be a toxic trait (although as long as we’re discussing the subtext, it’s interesting that you used the example of “girls”. I’m sure you didn’t mean to, I’m not leveling accusations at you, we all do this to some degree or another, but that is definitely an appeal to misogyny. You could have compared me to Bill Maher, which frankly would have pissed me off a whole lot more). But the truth does matter, and appeals to nuance/arguing procedural or rhetorical points while ignoring the realities is also toxic. Children in Gaza are dying, and Biden has actively helped with that. Call it propaganda, call it whatever you want, but innocent people are dead, as a result of a genocidal campaign helped by Biden.
Yeah! Everyone rally around genocide Joe! It’s not like he’s been paid more than any other US politician by pro Israel groups!
Helps you understand why he’s so enthusiastic about delivering the weapons though.
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It came from him aiding a genocide.
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there is no proof for this. it doesn’t even make sense. trump loves the Israel genocide
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_stopped_clock_is_right_twice_a_day#English
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/actions-speak-louder-than-words
LOL Trump is telling Israel to hurry up (aka genocide harder). The nickname isn’t really appropriate for Biden given the global context.
I was about to say - Biden is at least saying “you need to fucking chill”, Trump literally just said he’d be calling for Israel to “finish the job”.
That being said, am I tired of having to make this sort of shitty-ass choice every four years? Yes. However, ESPECIALLY this election cycle, we don’t have anyone better on the ticket.
RFK? He’s basically a mouthpiece for the conspiracy-right, just not quite as loud as Trump. He’s got some decent ideas buried deep under the midden-heap that is his anti-vaccine rambling, but anyone who says that Texas’ whole “we’re gonna fucking kill every immigrant who steps foot on our soil” idea was justified the way he has doesn’t deserve the office, as well as his want to take the US back to what is effectively isolationism.
Stein is way too comfortable with anti-science positions, almost total opposition to war and military aid, and her opposition to nuclear power is maddening paired with her statements about how every nuclear plant is a bomb waiting to explode.
Those stats go back 35 years. He’s maybe the only person that’s been in office that long, of course he’s going to accumulate the most.
That’s not really a knock against his statement. That he has gotten a lot from Israel for a long time, and so may feel beholden to them.
I am also getting absolute sick of all of the people who are jumping down the throats of people who express weariness at Joe Biden being the democratic nominee. Like ffs, he is in no way representing my interests and is another step tword the right. It may be slower then the full on sprint of the Republican Party, but my ONLY input into this process is my vote. In the primaries i sure as shit did not vote for joe, and anyone refusing to vote because of the bull shit he’s pulled is justified.
Instead of blaming the disenfranchised you and the Democrats should find a better politician and better politics
LOL. Straight up apologism, nice.
LOL. Straight up misrepresentation of facts, nice.
Support colonial genocide more, I’m sure it will age like fine wine!
“no matter who wins, America loses”
That sounds like both-sides to me. Biden has done some objectively great things for Americans even with a senate fighting him for the first 2 years and a Congress for the last 2
I can definitely point to more good things Biden has done in his term than Trump did in his. Plus there’s the mountain of Trump’s crimes to compare with the non-mountain of non-crimes on Biden’s side. Of course, I’m not a fan of Biden’s authoritarian tendencies, but again Trump is far worse in that area.
Ah yes, someone who enables genocide by continuing existing funding practices is totally deserving of that specific nickname while the other guy who has repeatedly said he would literally do what Israel is doing and that Israel should ‘finish the job’ doesn’t get a pithy nickname.
The cosplayers will always write “Genocide Joe” and will always fail to note that Donald is intentionally referencing the “Final Solution” from the Nazis.
Ah so you stoop to name calling to give your argument credence.
Do we really? I’m not so sure.
How do you have so much time to spend on this website trying to convince people not to vote? How does someone so passionately stand for absolutely nothing? I’ve seen these same posts from you over and over and over again, yet you never actually have anything to say besides ‘both sides bad, don’t vote.’
If you have a better option, I’d love to hear it. But if not, maybe shut the fuck up and quit turfing for Trump.
Maybe I’m just old enough to realize the last 30 years of DNC strategy has been completely devoid of logic, and just results in the Dem party getting more and more conservative every cycle.
Maybe I’ve realized that as long as progressives vote for the lesser of two evils, the DNC will only ever compromise for “moderates” who wants the party to be more conservative.
I’ve spent 20 years voting D for president, only once did I get to vote for someone I liked at the time.
Maybe nows the time to do the only thing the DNC cares about. Loudly refuse to vote for them until they give me what I want. Because that works with the DNC, they’re constantly saying they need to be more conservative to steal votes from Republicans, and that they don’t have to ever move left because there’s no better option.
Because after 20 years, “voting blue no matter who” has only lead to a slow march of elderly conservative candidates who won’t push for the party platform even when they have the House and Senate.
I used to say “the primary is the real election” but that’s not true anymore, the DNC just doesn’t give a fuck about the democratic base anymore.
What’s your grand plan? Keep doing what we’ve been doing for decades and hope the result is magically different?
The end game of the lib’s “harm reduction” is to continue taking shots to the left 30 years from now when the presidential candidates are a choice between the dem who wants to do 5 genocides and the repub who wants to do 10 genocides. At that point, the metamorphosis from liberal to fascist will be complete. To the liberal mind, political analysis stops with the earth-shattering revelation that 5 < 10.
They’ve been anchor biased hard as fuck, and they will continue to prop up genocide across the third world and beyond such that they never have to question their precious governmental systems and bureaucracy. The ecocidal, genocidal, imperialist political project that is the United States (which was devised a blink ago by 30-year old white slavers) is far more precious to liberals than, you know, halting genocide.
Might be slightly more effective to draw a frowny face in poop on your front door to express your political discontent ;)
I’ve tried voting blue no matter who, and all it’s done is get me a front row seat to the destruction of the democratic party
I’ve also noticed when anyone else draws a line in the sand, the DNC quickly caves.
So maybe it’s time for progressives to draw a line. It’s the only thing I’ve ever seen work.
What’s you’re recommendation?
I used to say “vote in the primary” but that was before the DNC started canceling them for things only republicans can change.
I’m honestly asking, what is your plan to stop the DNC from their decades long march to the right?
I encourage most people to vote but I totally support you, in particular, not voting. I’m just saying the poop door thing would really add an exclamation point to your message ;)
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What a disgusting comment. Obviously they’re passionate about not supporting a genocide. Can you fucking read?
Passionate about not supporting genocide, but is willing to let Trump back in the White House, thus propagating the genocide.
What do you want them to do, set themself on fire on the White House lawn? Not going to accomplish much.
Nah, I’m just pointing out the flawed logic behind what you and people like you think.
Dehumanizing people with “wrong think”.
You guys sound more and more like MAGATs every day!
LOL, points out fucked up logic: YOU’RE DEHUMANIZING ME!!! Such a victim complex.
I ain’t no victim. The victims are buried under tons of rubble in Palestine. Because of weapons of war enthusiastically delivered by your leader. LOL
‘Not supporting a genocide’ is not a candidate running for election.
Nobody here wants to support genocide. It’s not brave statement, it’s fucking common sense. But the options are ‘a guy who’s weakly attempting to deescalate things’ and ‘hurry up and finish your genocide already’. If you truly don’t want to support genocide, there’s a clear pick.
Yeah, but Biden and the unelected leaders of the DNC do, and they dont care what you want if you keep voting for them.
So who are you voting for then? You continue to avoid the real question.
For president?
Probably a write in.
For everyone down ballot race?
Straight D for anyone who doesn’t take AIPAC money.
Little more work, but worth it.
If I keep voting straight D, it’s just letting the party be dragged to the right. At some point either the DNC finally listens, or everyone will hit their own line in their own time.
If your only standard is a D next to name, maybe you’ll never have to worry aboutnthis.
Then you don’t deserve to have a functioning government.
Nice way to expose yourself there.
Check out my comment history, I’ve thought America are the bad guys for probably longer than you’ve been alive, kiddo.
Edgy.
So edgy. The country founded on a genocide and then made strong by 300 years of slavery is the bad guy.
Oh, there you go again
I’m sure we will be okay with Biden. Quit your dramatics.
Sucka, you got took.
Actually, it doesn’t.
Found the right wing. Or the Russian.
The most important thing is NOT Trump. We can worry about that other thing like RANKED VOTING after that
Yeah totally agree. Biden is the least bad as an outsider, but he’s still a shit candidate and the fact the Democrats chose him shows how weak and poorly run they are as a party.
Biden is the least bad option in a 2 man race but fundamentally US democracy is broken and rotten to its core.
The fact polls show it neck and neck at this stage, given trumps legal woes and his attempt to overthrow the last election result, bodes very badly.