• masterspace@lemmy.ca
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    6 months ago

    That’s not why.

    Lol, yes it is absolutely part of the reason.

    It’s because not enough people care

    Yes, that is also part of the reason.

    and because police work for the government and secure the interests of the government, so putting them in jail is essentially kneecapping yourself if you’re a politician.

    No, that is the case in literally every single other country too.

    Again, nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with culture.

    Sounds like a gun owner in denial, not a reasoned point.

    What’s insane is thinking that we are the only country in the world with a problem with violence.

    You are the only developed western country with a problem as severe as yours. You’re the only one where there are regular and repeated mass killings. You are the only one where violence, and specifically gun violence, is a leading cause of death amongst children.

    The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a commercial truck than any mass shooter in history.

    Yes and more Americans have been killed by gun violence in 2024 so far.

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      6 months ago

      Sounds like a gun owner in denial, not a reasoned point.

      Right, blaming it on denial (of…?) makes much more rational sense.

      You are the only developed western country with a problem as severe as yours.

      What a strangely specific criteria. Because every other country with similar problems can be slapped with the label of “underdeveloped”, I assume?

      You are the only one where violence, and specifically gun violence, is a leading cause of death amongst children.

      “Gun violence” is not a cause of death. Murder is.

      Do you think if they took away the guns, people would just stop being violent? Or that they would just find another tool?

      Honestly, just think about it for a minute.

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        6 months ago

        Because every other country with similar problems can be slapped with the label of “underdeveloped”, I assume?

        What countries are you thinking of?

        “Gun violence” is not a cause of death. Murder is.

        Technically no, a bullet wound is, or a stab wound, or blunt force trauma, but murder is the legal definition of a crime that involves death, circumstances, and intent.

        Do you think if they took away the guns, people would just stop being violent? Or that they would just find another tool?

        I think that they would find another tool, be forced to decide whether to commit to a close quarters fight to the death instead of sitting back and spraying from a distance, and in the vast majority of situations the overall outcome will be far less severe and easier for police and security to contain.

        Have you really thought about it?

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          6 months ago

          be forced to decide whether to commit to a close quarters fight

          Do you think this is the only alternative? Did you already forget about the mass murderer with a truck? Or a bomb? Or a lighter? Or an airplane? Or any number of dozens of other ways you can murder people without putting yourself in harm’s way?

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            Outside of potentially a car or truck, all of those things take significant time and planning.

            The reality of most murders is that they do not happen when given a cooling off period. Similar to suicides, they’re often situational and in the moment.